So the AZUR is worse than the other 3?
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No. Can we stop pretending the Leclercs are still “average” ?
- Mobility : Slightly better than Leo 2s & Abrams, still worse than Type 10 & ZTZs → Above average.
- Firepower : Worst penetration out of all the top tier MBTs and a classic 6 seconds reload → That makes it one of the MBTs with the worst firepower.
- Survivability : This is where things get ugly. You’re as armored as a sheet of paper, you only have 3 crew members and fuel tanks explode all the time for no reason.
In top tier, what matters the most is Survivability > Firepower > Mobility.
The Leclercs are the worst in what matters the most (survivability), are below average in Firepower and are the best in what matters the less (mobility).
The Leclercs are in no shape or form “average”. They’re among the worst top tier MBTs.
Can you still do kills with it ? Yes, but I can also get kills with a Tier II vehicles against Tier VIII by overpressuring them. Does that mean the Tier II vehicles are competitive ? Absolutely not.
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Oh wow…
S.XXI = S1 > AZUR > S2
Depending on the map S.XXI or S1 is going to be better :
- If you’re on a big map on which you can go hull down, you should pick the S.XXI for its CITV ;
- If you’re on a small urbanized map, you’re going to want to get the most mobility you can so you should pick the Leclerc S1.
AZUR is a S2 with ERA so it should be better than the S2. However, you could argue the additional weight of the ERA is not worth it considering the AZUR ERA is basically worthless : it doesn’t protect against APFSDS or tandem charge missiles, so it’s only useful against HEAT rounds (which you won’t encounter since all top tier MBTs have APFSDS stock now …) and rockets.
What makes me choose the AZUR over the S2 is the additional protection against helicopters : the roof of the AZUR is more armored, protecting you against 30mm and the AZUR ERA will stop rockets.
IMO the Leclerc S2 is the worst of the Leclercs because it has no particularities. It’s just a Leclerc S1 without its strength : speed. It’s really just a fat Leclerc S1 lol.
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So im guessing its like this;
Good MBTS
Russia
Germany
Sweden
America
China
Israel
Japan
France
Italy
Worse MBTS
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Right or wrong?
The more armored MBTs are always going to be the best, so it’s going to be : Sweden > Russia > Germany > USA > China > Japan > France > Italy
I never encounter Israel MBTs so I’m not sure where to put them
Japan can go 2, even 3 places up depending on the player skill (Type 10s may not be well armored but 4 seconds reload on 615mm of pen and 13° of depression can be very dangerous in the right hands).
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I heard Israel is eh since their engine department most of the time kinda saves them but makes it more difficult when coming around a corner or something since people can just constantly keep shooting your engine around the corner. Again it’s something i heard and it’s been a while since someone told me that. But japan is honestly confusing to me…
Like how in the world do they manage to survive with no protection basically.
Probably a personal preference for the AZUR versus S2. I prefer the retention of mobility and think the AZUR package isn’t worth the increase in weight. If it had LWS it would probably be worth it though.
I will continue to think that the AZUR is a disappointment. They only had to make it an SXXI, not an S2. They so could have added a UAE Leclerc or added the AZUR package as an armor mod.
So the worst possible option was chosen.
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I keep hearing that the Merkavas perform very poorly above 10.0 any increase in armor aren’t substantial and can be considered a lol-pen in almost every important area. But nothing that I say about it comes from experience, only that Israel’s just forgotten and has been getting power crept to hell and back.
Israel is honestly weird in my opinion.
I agree the AZUR Is a massive disappointment. It would become the best Leclerc if it was based off a S.XXI and if it had LWS.
but Gaijin being Gaijin regarding France, they half-assed it. They didn’t even took a moment to question themselves about what France really need and it shows …
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it Is trash now, only leopard a7 and swedish with 80% WR, and other nations will only decrease.
AZUR is just a worse S2. Didn’t even bother grinding it. Maybe if it was SXXI and the ERA was actually given the >100mm KE resistance it’s supposed to have.
Why don’t you guys just make suggestions for it to be fixed?
Changing it to SXXI? That involves 3D model work which they outsource afaik so even a tiny change is a big ask.
Adding KE protection to ERA? It’s been reported/suggested before.
Also either of these would make the tank better (CITV and better protection) so they can blame not doing it on balance
there are dozens of bug reports for leclerc and hell, nearly every other top tier mbt, but they all get shut down because we cant provide unclassified, exact values with real world photo or video examples, its insane.
Heres a list of sources I have personally seen gaijin decline as somehow not a good enough source:
Tank manufacturer’s websites
ERA manufacturer’s websites
Advertising pamphlets attached to tank manufacturer’s websites
Videos of company’s head of marketing discussing relative weight and protection values
publicly available intelligence archives run by the US army
Direct statements from the US army
Congressional defense reports
Video of tanks reloading and rotating their turrets
Photos from the inside of a tank
And Im sure there are more that I cant think of right now
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Oh my god…Gaijin needs to open their eyes.
11.7one of the worst mbt😢