In which situation would you ever take the normal SM or a J-10C over a GE?
It’s superior in basically all ways, radar, countermeasures performance missile count, etc
the r77-1 is either 1st or second best missile in game depending where you want to put the mica. it has a on par radar if not better due to wider scan radius iirc. same missile count, you get a better RWR, IRST. better flight performance. has large caliber countermeasures which makes up a bit for its low count. you also get the sneaky r27ET and the perverted r27ER. r73 is the only IR HOB missile in air. there isnt much the GE has besides total countermeasure count.
Far better performance in what way? TVC which is useless, terrible acceleration and energy retention poor climb rate.
The rwr has far worse coverage and blind spots, nobody uses the IRST at top tier, the radar has the exact same 140° coverage
The large caliber countermeasures don’t make up for the absurd amount carried difference, especially chaff, the difference between large and small chaff is meaningless only flares have a difference but nowhere near enough to make up for 700 flares.
It carries only 2 more missiles which are the R-73, fox 3 amount is the same.
The F-15 has far better flight performance, it’s not even close, better RWR coverage and in Sim the HMD is completely game changing.
The J-10C has even less countermeasure, even less missile, worse radar, mediocre performance.
Outside of gimmicks that don’t fit the meta the only disadvantage the F-15GE has is the C-5 but it makes up for it in far better performance giving it better MAR.
Especially in SIM the difference is even more in there with the HMD.
well this is just wrong, the su30 keeps up with the f15 for most situations except for anything mach 1.5 and greater where the f15 just shines at. but the su30 has much better instant turn rate allowing it to notch missiles far easier and since it has TVC it has much better authority at high altitude with some of the best missiles ingame.
this is true i was thinking of the sm2 which has a 360 rwr. but its not terrible.
it has 180 degree coverage meaning you can notch while guiding, a leg up on the GE
anyone who is actually running both BOL pods are trolling. i never once used all the CM.
thought you said it had a higher missile count? no?
hmm
the majority of players play ARB imo its more important to focus on what most matches and balance looks like for the playerbase.
maybe if your playing against a toddler. the MAR can just easily be notched given how slow the aim120 is compared to the r77-1 it takes a 55km shot at high alt for the aim120 to see any TTK benefit while anywhere within 50km the r77-1 is just going to whoop a aim120’s ass.
At no point in the entire chart does the Su-30 out accelerate the F-15GE
140° For both the N011M has worse vertical coverage
The Su-30 runs out quite easily the J-10 even more so
I was talking about the J-10 which only has 10
i never stated it out accelerates it, i said it keeps up within a margin of 10 seconds
i would rather have r-77-1.
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To breathe some life back into this thread:
The AIM 120D is on the live server, and it’s really, really bad compared to the C.
Yes, for some it’s whining, but for those who like playing US vehicles, it’s just another bad joke at the players’ expense.
using it right now, is it worse? feels like the same old crap
It’s the same, or basically the same, think he really meant it had no improvement over C and that is the ‘bad’ part. AMRAAM-C is the one really due a buff, but due to the current balance that is not possible. AMRAAM-C should really just have been a hornet special to balance the terrible kinetics, so we wouldn’t have to deal with all this crap.
yeah if he meant that then its true, aim120d is still the same old crap
right. thats that What I actually meant is that we’re being sold the same old crap with a new name, with an “upgrade” that’s completely useless because it doesn’t bring anything, and we have to be satisfied with it because it’s supposedly an “improvement.”
AMRAAM-equipped fighters can attack several targets simultaneously. The AIM-120C series began deliveries in 1996 and continues for US allies. Joint procurement of the AIM-120D series began in fiscal 2006 and continues today. The AIM-120D features improved accuracy via Global Positioning System aided navigation, kinematics, lethality and hardware and software updates to enhance its electronic protection capabilities against more capable threats.
there it is, the US navy said that the D have more Power than the C, and we get exact the same XD
One could argue about what “more power” (as I’ve termed it) actually means. But what’s undeniable is the fact that the D model has exactly the same, or rather, worse performance than the C model.
The issue there is that, it doesn’t say what improved kinematically, maybe it turns better, maybe it has better endgame energy maybe it has another booster sustainer configuration like the A/B. That alone will not be enough to buff the aim120D there has to be meaningful data to adjust how the aim120D should preform. While I do think we should get a minor motor improvement the reality is there isn’t enough data to make a change that isn’t based entirely off guess work
Data is available for the C variants. The actual motor didn’t get upgraded again until D-3, but since C-5 is already fine on so many jets they won’t break the balance for it.
nothing is fine about 120c5 lol
When at least 30° of fin AOA and stronger seeker?? At least for the D?
Well it’s not like EFs aren’t crazy good so from balancing sense it is fine. Really gaijin shouldn’t have given EFs AMRAAM C in the first place, should’ve kept it as a sort of niche thing to cover up the huge kinetic disadvantage of F-18s.
120d on the f15c ge works pretty well compared to the pl12a on the j10c and j15t
On the f16c and f18e its pretty much just ok
Overall its doing just fine
Cant say the same for the pl12a
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even the normal PL12 is better than 120D for most game modes, idk what you are trying to complain about
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