they fixed the compression issues for 11.7-12.7 before destroying it with the BMPT so it can be done.
Gaijin just doesnt give a toss about mid tier
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Im not though.
Harrier GR1 has no flares , and yet faces aircraft with very capable missiles all the time. Its only hope is a downtier, which seems rare
Harrier GR3, AV-8A, AV-8C, AV-8S do okay, but still have major issues regarding FM and heat signatures. and still get destroyed by F-5s and co at 10.7 all the time
FRS1e, AV-8S late and FRS1 are all in pretty bad states at the moment and none are performing well.
T-10, AV-8B(NA) do okay, but likewise have very limited gameplay potential.
Gr7 is carried by the 9Ms, whcih are buggy messes at the moment, but a subsonic at that BR is brutal
FA2 is nearly DOA at the moment
AV-8B+ do okay, but are also really not in a healthy state at the moment
So please tell me, which Harriers are actually performing really well? Because Ive yet to see any of them do that well, likewise they all have huge numbers of reports
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| Harrier 1 | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Attribute | In-game Figure | Expected IRL Figure | Associated Bug Report | Additional comment |
| ITR (with 60% nozzle) (Deg/sec) | 15.3 | 19 | Community Bug Reporting System | |
| STR (Deg/sec) | 11 | 14.6 | Community Bug Reporting System | |
| TWR (At Mach 0.8)* | 0.61 | 0.9 | Community Bug Reporting System | |
| Combat Climb (Ft/min) | 16,000 | 24,000 | Community Bug Reporting System | |
| Max AOA at low speed (Deg) | 40 | 50+ | Community Bug Reporting System | Report only Partially fixed. Some sources indicate 70-90 degree AOA is possible |
| Coefficient of lift (at 200kts) | 0.95 | 1.5 | Community Bug Reporting System | |
| Top Speed at 84% Throttle @ 30k ft (Mach) | 0.94 | 0.98 | Community Bug Reporting System | |
| Pegasus Overheat (°C) | 730 | 794 | Community Bug Reporting System | Source is currently under dispute. So Report may not be possible at this time. |
| Fuel Flow at 84% throttle (Lb/min) | 110 | 210 | Community Bug Reporting System | |
| Breaking stop decelration by100 knots (Seconds) | 22.8 | 3.3 | Community Bug Reporting System | VIFF currently provides no breaking force at all |
| VIFF RCS (Knots) | 120 | 400+ | Community Bug Reporting System | |
| G at Buffet (@ M0.7) | 5.55 | 6.75 | Community Bug Reporting System | |
| Wing Loading (kg/m²) | 582.96 | 388.64 | same as above | F-104 is around 600 |
| * Estimated from Harrier 2 sources | ||||
| Misc Issues | ||||
| Harrier (All) Reduced IR Signature | Community Bug Reporting System | |||
| Sooty Exhaust | Community Bug Reporting System | |||
| (FRS1/FA2) Missing CCRP Symbology | Community Bug Reporting System | |||
| (FRS1) Missing radar gunsight | Community Bug Reporting System | |||
| (FA2) Missing twin Stores Carrier | Community Bug Reporting System | |||
| (FRS1) Wrong HUD | Community Bug Reporting System | |||
| (FA2) BOL & Twin Sidewinders | Community Bug Reporting System | |||
| Incorrect fuel dump Minimum | Community Bug Reporting System | |||
| Landing gear travel time | Community Bug Reporting System | |||
| AN/ALE-40 Single fire | Community Bug Reporting System | |||
| Extreme Flap Drag | Community Bug Reporting System | |||
| Incorect Flap Deployment | Community Bug Reporting System |
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should carry 2 more 9Ms btw, just like the T10 should be running 6 9Ms
Yup, though its the BOL fixes + TIALD buffs + ePaveway IIs Id like for the Gr7 more than anything
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reduced IR, countermeasures working proper and an ungimped a2a loadout option is a dream for me.
I love harrier, i hate how they are ruined by gaijinisms
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Chi-ri - 5.0 -5.7
Quite literally nerfed side armour and reload.
with only buff being better shell for its tiny secondary that is just used to bait people 90% of the time.
Extra crew? - but now must have ammo in turret so doesnt matter every pen to the paper thin turret gonna go poof.
Absolutely ruined only good ww2 mid tier “lineup” (well its in Japanese tree so could not really be called that).
What an absolute joke.
With absolutely no armour, 3.7 br gun, mid mobility size of tiger 2 while at br with 76mm jumbos and tigers and when uptiered aggainst tiger 2s and pershings… Yeah no thanks. Absolutely unplayable barely worth its previous 5.0 br with majorly nerfs.
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Bit hard to feel joy but it was a powerful counter, introducing the Type 41 AD Frigate HMS Leopard F14.
Originally a 3.7 vessel where it was quite powerful but now a 4.0 where it 90% of the time gets UpBR’ed to fighting 5.0, now BR alone does create a nerf but that wasn’t the only thing done & as the devs love to just gut something down to its bare bones & keep it at a new BR is exactly what happened.
List of nerfs I remember:
• reduction of engine blocks from eight to three, the ship has eight engines driving two shafts, originally when you had engines knocked out your speed would reduce gradually as further block got hit, now it’s instant.
• Bridge HP got extremely reduced, the bridge is already a low structure due to how the British started to compact the sizes post war, you used to not loose it as much but now it gets nuked quickly.
• general HP of the vessel, crew layout, the vessel used to be able to absorb damage often seeing the ship last quite a while as you dumped salvo after salvo out, now it’s wet tissue paper for what costs you everything to field in a match.
• a nerf that it always had & is down to the devs bizarre economics system, while many shall hail NF as a mint for its money making potential, this ship is single handedly the most expensive machine per sortie, in RB its Rc is 18.299 sl… now that’s quite fair tbh but buuut but bit butt the real kicker is ammunition costs uuuuuuuuughh which is 50 sl per shell (used to be 60 sl), now currently in game in one minute you expend 80 shells or 4000 sl, now times that by fifteen minutes (1200 shells can be expended in fifteen minutes).
If you’re not careful & or don’t fire base standard HE shells, you can often be top of a team in damage, ships sunk, aircraft shot down but make no SL in a single match (thanks gaijin, you’ve single handedly created the drake suffering from success meme), I calculated to around -15M sl from using this ship for all my matches (I wish your stats showed your negative earnings, as it show +8M sl on my stats yet I rarely had that).
Thus due to the dogshit economics of this ship, while it’s a powerhouse when played right, I rarely use it anymore.
E, Creature to Create, oops.
Mig-23.
Used to be good, then hit radar nerf, flightmodel nerf and lastly ACM mode is complete trash after latest.
Marineflieger, just over br brick.
A10C on 12.0 in ground, and soviet counterpart is sitting in 11.3 ( su25T/su39)
Could seriously be dropped especially after new aa’s were introduced…
On ground those 9m’s means jack s*** , it is still very slow ( slower than anything if someone doesnt take props in that br on ground. )
And besides, there is R73’s on ground lowest as 10.7
my bad, I dont play ground at all.
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Reason why I placed on ground BR.
Besides it is 11.7 on air, so it is actually lower BR in air compared to ground
I don’t disagree.
12.3-13.0 non premium aircraft. Stock grinds are AFWUL, uptiers suck.
Another real standout example for me would be the A-7E. It got powercrept TO HELL and it’s not even funny
BI in Air RB, P-59A pre-nerf. Su-11 at 7.0. Wyvern at 4.0. XP-50 pre-nerf at 4.0. B7A2 up to this very day.
Would probably find quite a few more if I tried.
But yeah, for Ground RB it’s hard to beat I guess. I mean KV-1C back when it was 4.7, and KV-1B/E at 4.0 were also game-breaking, especially KV-1B.
Re.2005, g55, g56 are all over tired could all drop an entire br, a6m5s are over tired as well.
xm800t
i actually enjoyed this thing before… the change literally killed it in an instant
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Strv 103 c 8,7 BR from to 9.0 BR.
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F14A and B model. So sad its been 3 year.
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