This is exactly how russian aircraft are working in this game… we have Migs carrying way too man R27s… We have Yaks with entirely fictional loadouts… It is time to stop the gatekeeping, that door has already been opened. We just gonna leave it hanging open for one nation and not others?
At least this one is real.
The Yak-141 had special rules around its implementation, and is in no way similar to any production/tech tree vehicle in game, it’s irrelevant to this discussion.
The MiGs use their historical loadout (minus the exception of the R-27ER on the earlier MiG-29 9.12A variants which gaijin refuses to accept bug reports for removing those or adding R-73s. I think irl it needed a software update to use the ER, but gaijin is dumb so that’s what we get)
Furthermore, an F-4F ICE is NOT an F-4EJ ADTW. They use the base F-4 design, but it’s not only used by different nations with different amounts of armaments in their arsenal and inventory (Japan NEVER had the Aim-7-E2 as really only the US did), but are completely different planes on the inside.
You have no idea what you’re talking about if you think that way, it’s like saying “ohhh a MiG-21-98 can fire R-77s, that must mean the MiG-21 Bis can tooo!1!1!1!!”
Like man…
That is incorrect. It was test fit on an F-15C
Huh, seems you’re right actually.
So a later APG-63(V)3 equipped F-15C could actually get up to 16 AMRAAMs, that’s quite impressive
That is gatekeeping… we can’t make special rules for one nation (that the developers are from) and just give the middle finger to everyone else… They opened the door, now they need to play by the same rules.
It has way more problems than that. The missile itself is accelerating way too fast. It also could only be fired in straight and level flight. Also the Mig 29 wasn’t capable of using RWR and RADAR so you would need to pick one or other and drop your tracking. It also couldn’t detect a launch from a fighter in TWS mode. The Mig would give a “special tone” that indicated when you were inside the range of that aircraft and just assume they had or will launch based on positioning. No warning. Not to mention with a drop tank the Mig 29 should rip wings above 4G.
For sparrows and sidewinders the systems are backwards compatible. If you can launch an Aim-9M you can launch an Aim-9X-II. It was the same for the Aim-120s as you just needed to change the pylon. They were designed with retrofitting in mind.
Actually I do.
I have been saying this over and over!!! Gib Me 14 AMRAAMS and 2x Aim-9X on my F15C!
It’s probably just worded wrong, what they meant was the Yak-141 was an unfinished prototype. This means some specific part of it was built, but it was never completed (in this case the intended armament wasn’t fitted).
Such vehicles can be suggested and added for all nations, and they are all added in their intended completed state. Another good example would be the Ho-229V3, that also never fit armament, but was partially built.
Not on the F-4s.
The current F-15C in game would not have this capability. It is missing too many of the features to make it a modern F-15C, which is what showcased the AMBER racks.
You dont know what you are talking about.
That would be insanely unbalanced now, but in the future it could work.
Though at that point a later model F-15 would be best, since at the time when that many missiles become balanced you don’t want the old PD APG-63(V)1, but rather the AESA APG-63(V)3. From what I understand that was also what the F-15C was that fitted the additional rails, so it’s historical.
The Yak-141 is special, it was a gal filler for the naval line. It was missing a gun, a few avionics, and the capability to fire missiles. It could mount them, and most importantly, it could fly. It was the only option. These rules have also been applied to other aircraft before, such as the R2Y2, Horten, kikka, and many more (I could go find a list I saw the other day if you’d like). This is NOT Soviet or nation exclusive.
Regarding the R-27ER, tell that to gaijin, not me. I know it’s over preforming dramatically (in terms of having way less drag than it should), and the G-load factor is changed in war thunder in terms of the aircraft’s airframe strength. In terms of the RWR, but report it. First I’ve heard of that. Gaijin makes mistakes, we all know and have seen this time and time again, and it isn’t nation or vehicle exclusive.
Again, Japan didn’t have this missile then, nor around the use of this model of aircraft. It’s not getting it. Find proof of it or nothing will change, that’s how gaijin is and it’s pretty fair.
Yes some missiles are meant to be backwards compatible, but for missiles that aren’t the sidewinders, it’s in terms of mounting. The Aim-120 could be theoretically mounted, but the internal software and hardware can’t fire the missile, that’s not how that works, otherwise the F-20 wouldn’t have needed software updates to fire the Aim-120A that is was being intended to use in the future. You can’t just stick an old ARH missile on a harpoons and expect it to be that easy, the radar needs to be configured and capable of guiding and updating its guidance, and you would need to be able to fire it using the onboard avionics/systems, and controls.
This iteration ingame is missing many things, so if that’s something it’s capable of receiving then it may very well receive it someday in the future. But right now the game isn’t ready for that quite yet.
You’ve proven time and time again that you don’t.
This is the guy who said they shouldn’t give the F-22 any radar cross section because anything that would spot it would be dead before catching it on radar. This guys either a troll or someone who thinks he knows everything.
He also thinks that because the MiG-29SMT is in the game the F-22 should be added right now… 🤡
because surely America isn’t already the top performing nation in Air RB lmaooo
Allegedly the F15C we have is a “2003” version… So their is no reason why it can’t… so again…
I am guessing we will probably see it with the F15E despite it being on older aircraft.
Thats because they wouldn’t, and we know they don’t model RADAR correctly so this would be the only logical way. The same way the “fix” other nations through absolute nonsense.
SU-27SM (2014) Variant so at least get it right. And if we are going to run 2014 upgrade programs, we can at least run 1997 (F-22) Airframes.
This is the same company that decided to drop a 2023 2S38 vehicle in while absolutely leaving everyone else holding the bag. Funny how that only seems to happen to one nation.
The first Su-27SMs entered service in 2003…
2004, but in game is the Crimea version so 2014, not 2016. And either way, point still stands. One nation conveniently gets gatekeeping excuses as to why they need modern tech once again, and why no one else needs 1990s airframes.
Tbf it does have no armor or gun depression. Even back then before the new modules it was pretty easy to kill (if you knew where to aim). Not to mention the 20 rounds ready rack nerfed it pretty hard for some time. But yes it’s BR is pretty crazy low for what it was and still it, especially in comparison to the HSTV-L, and the fact it’s ended for use as an SPAA. (And also furthermore, I doubt the APFSDS round it uses ingame even exists lmao). 2S38 is widely know for its Russian bias Br because people who use it just suck in it and tank its stats. It being a premium was just an obvious and stupid cash grab idea by gaijin, I can’t deny that.
Russian Air capabilities are lackluster, and underfunded. Despite the time periods they existed in being far more modern, these vehicles are the only viable options and are relatively balanced in their implementation. Give the US a full on stealth fighter with no ability to use radar guided weapons on it as you suggest would not only be beyond overpowered, but unnecessary as there are plenty of other vehicles to add before it that are also relatively capable. Same thing goes for the T-90M facing the Leopard 2A7, as the vehicle (despite being extremely modern) can some features that can really make it hard to play and use in any capacity.
Even gaijin stated 2003, don’t know where you’re getting that, but hey both me and gaijin could be wrong i guess.
Interesting to know, thanks for sharing. (Either way the one in game is in no way comparable to even the 1997 version of the F-22A).
Honestly I get it, but having something immune to radar missiles would be… unfair. They should model how RCS work and implement a new system for all radars ingame before adding any kind of stealth aircraft if you ask me, as the F-22 added that way would be beyond overpowered, far far far beyond overpowered. (Hell we don’t even have any thrust vectoring nozzle aircraft like those sukhoi Su-30 [or maybe misremembering the name and it the Su-33] ingame yet).
Anyway this is getting a bit off topic now if you ask me, so you can feel free to reply to this, but I don’t think I’m going to rant off topic any more after this message.
I actually also find it interesting that according to the flight manual for the SU-27, the plane was not mach capable when armed:
And the Range of the R-73 was less than 15KM:
Even more interesting you are only allowed to fire 50 rounds, then it needs a 3 min cooldown:
You sure this is unclassified/not export restricted?
Fairly certain. It is stamped.
Idk what that means lol, but if the forum moderators know that means it’s good for public distribution then you’re good
The Ozelot should get its MG3.
You can see the gun mount in this picture.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/oy3mDR2NR889
