PUMA. It’s time for it to finally get spikes. I’m sick of seeing other vehicles get it and the puma is just forgotten.
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Yes… And they were using 80s armaments while flying around not some arbitrary limit imposed by gaijin. Whats your point? I’d still take an F-4E with AIM-7Fs, AIM-9L/Ms and functioning TISEO against any SARH slinger.
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Yes because IRL NATO totally had an infinite stockpile of only the most modern weapons and things like AIM-9L/M and AIM-7M would never get prioritized for newer aircraft far before anything else.
They totally didnt still have large stockpiles of older weapons laying around that totally wouldn’t get issued to older/second line aircraft.
Noooo they would never do that…
My point was historical matchmaking is extremely stupid and anybody that wants it should heavily reconsider what they are asking for. we finally just got some fairly decent decompression a few weeks ago people need to stop trying to ask for something even worse than what we had
All that being said the F-4E should get access to these weapons. It should also get access to its missing air to ground ordinance such as D mavericks, LGPs and such.
I have said both here and multiple other places that gainins “arbitrary limits” as you put them are bad and do nothing but hold aircraft back.
F-14A Early cannot have its Early removed, cause it’s an entirely different F-14 airframe to the standard F-14As we’re use to. On top of that, it’d be the same BR as F-14B.
A different F-4F variant can come with AIM-9Ls for 12.3.
Your idea of two 13.7 F-16As is interesting… silly to me.
12.7 F-4E is funny.
13.3 Yak-141…
F-4C will never be an F-4D.
Neither of which are in the US tree, and China and Italy could use aim-120 F-16s
Both of which would compete just as well as a F-4F ICE or J-8F if corrected. F-4E with its proper TISEO would be superior to a MiG-29 without R-27ERs.
Probably won’t ever be changed, all the more reason to add F-4D with the armament the F-4E currently has so the F-4E can get its proper armament and they can stuff the BS “we need it to fill its current BR!?!?!” excuse.
Italy already has a Gripen, and China has other options after J-11A.
And? Want a fucking cookie?
Which aren’t ingame currently.
Both aircraft are ahistorically being limited to armament they can’t even use because gaijin can’t be bothered to ctl+c and ctl+v a correct version of both into the trees at minimum.
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I’d rather have F-4D one or two steps (BR levels) below F-4E than F-4C that is helpless against any missile fired at you in rear aspect (or front aspect, let’s be real… You can’t avoid either.)
F-4D can get 7E-2s, 9E and/or 9J along with ALE-40s found already on F-4E. Radar would be slight downgrade and no built in cannon.
EDIT: Gaijin can remodel a vehicle if they want to. CV90105 is a great example of that
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CV90105 wasn’t a remodel, that was a model replaced with a different one as to buff the vehicle rather than nerf a premium by removing thermals.
The name also didn’t change, just the subtitle.
Huge false equivalency there.
Mhmmm…
Model was replaced, yes. With a new one to represent a CV90105 with completely different turret.
I guess it is fair to say that name did not change but variant is different
Old CV90105 was CV90105 TML, new CV90105 is CV90105 XC-8
But yes, you kind of said what I wanted in a different way even though you allegedly disagree here
F-4D model would replace F-4C and variant would change.
More potent weapons would also be a big plus and would give it a fighting chance
F-4D would also be an incredibly simple thing to do as well, just give it CM dispensers and new missiles. (Some avionics would have to be renamed as well but they would still perform largely the same) nothing else on the model really has to change unless you really want to get into some super specific sub variants of the F-4D.
You could give it its additional atg ordinance as well but that might be pushing it.
But imo giving the F-4C a rename, some CMs and AIM-9J and 7E would make it absolutely fine where it is at 10.7 currently. It really just makes it on par and competitive with things like the F-8E and 21SMT.
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How about Commander’s Weapon Station’s Thermal Sight Module (TSM), KE-W A2 APFSDS-T round, and ARAT-I ERA for the M1A1 AIM? Give it its Commander Sight that it’s supposed to have. It is equipped with the 2nd-generation Thermal Sight Module (TSM) along with a Display Control Manager (DCM) to view and change its settings. Also ARAT-I would be cool since the Australian Army uses it.
Ammo-wise, I believe they use the KE-W A2 APFSDS-T round.
I 100% agree. There were Phantoms all be it F4G’s in desert storm in EC and SEAD roles. Historical matchmaking makes absolutely no sense to me. If you want historical, go play Enigmas Cold war server on DCS or something
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I agree the Early and Late is dumb but technically the F14A we have is the early production variants, it has those things that come out right infront of the wings (I honestly forget the name) which were removed on later F14A’s
Most western tanks also have an FCS like that lol. At least the Challengers and Abrams do.
Sounds like you want the old top tier back, F4s with 9J’s and 7E’s against Migs with R60s, I agree tho, id like to see the F4D in the game
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I mean, it’s not a weapon, but rather part of a weapons system, but I would like to see radar linked gyro gun sights to return.
I don’t even know why they got rid of that functionality to begin with.
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F-4D would be ideal “old” 10.7 candidate (don’t know what current BR that would be, 11.3?)
7E-2s are up for debate IMO but 9Js and CMs wouldn’t be an overkill considering that majority of jets have countermeasures at that BR
Another thing to consider is the flight performance which would be identical (at least I think) to F-4C.
I don’t really see downsides to convert F-4C to F-4D
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I want the Rb24J to be removed from the JA-37C(?) & JA-37D because it wasn’t mounted on it in service. ever.
Just give it the Skyflash as a stock missile and maybe the RB 27,
and M163 should go +1 br up