Were prop BR teams better back then?

I only started playing recently and am currently trying out the Yak 3U and its a fun little plane, but my god it reminds me of how unfun props are… Most people will literally kill themselves by pushing headons they cant win, or they just reverse themselves and you just point, click, kill. This has been my experience accross every prop ive tried so far, doesnt matter which BR/Nation, the games all play the same, you need to play 10 matches to have one interesting dogfight, its just mind numbing.

Oh yeah and teams are usually completely unbalanced, one side steamrolls the other, usually anyone paired with US loses pretty quickly, seems like few people know how to fly US props? It pretty goofy, youre having a dogfight early game and by the time youre done the match is over or youre 1v8, few matches last more than 10 minutes, its just… eh.

Soooo were prop BRs always this way or were they a lot more challenging and energetic back when the highest you could go was the mig 15/f86? Any vets here who remember?

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I don’t think BRs are the problem really, but just people used to play far more cautiously and smarter

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I’m not a vet but I’ve felt this way, up until 5 months ago every round was like a different movie, there were lots of coordination and team play, nowadays it’s a cesspool of toxicity or bad sportsmanship

i havent had any toxicity or bad sportsmanship so far, appart from one twat tking 2 people on takeoff (including me lol) and the classic “ooOOOooOOh I circle airfield now u not get me OoOoOo rush me and die to AAA!”

what ive noticed though, to adress team play and coordination, is people will like FLOCK to one attacker mowing the grass and killing ground targets leaving me and a few guys at altitude watching it unfold below us, its actually so funny because it happens every game.

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I blame modern jets.

WT advertises modern jets.
People flock to game.
They see props, they think boring without even trying to think to learn them.
They go for the simplest and fastest (in their mind) solution - strap a million tons onto their plane, go for head-ons.

This issue seems to scale the more popular (pop culture) a given nation’s jets are. This might be a coincidence with “major nations” though.

I also blame ground RB.

People want to play tanks.
Tanks are cool.
But people keep spawning CAS and killing them for daring to exist.
They want either revenge (CAP) or partake in the free kills (succumb to CAS).
And as with the jet argument, people don’t care to learn what they deem “irrelevant” and rush to get bombs to kill defenceless tanks with ASAP.

This observation had driven me to play prop games in ASB.
This has had satisfactory conclusions outside of during the big air grind events.
Big air grind events seem to bring out all the bad sportsmanship from people.
It also draws out the match riggers and “PvE please” lobbies.
Don’t recommend trying during grind events.
Try when the current one is over at 3.0-5.7.

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ooooh yeah i forgot theres an event going on yeah.

i kind of forgot that GRB exists im ngl. Its funny because i actually bought the premium french yak to get to jets fast but now that ive reached the rafale im going back down to props a lot more, the grass isnt greener in higher lobbies i guess…

although i feel like the best BR to play in air right now has to be 8.0-10.0, lots of great players there and intense dogfights and really satisfying because when you win, you know you beat someone good and thats a lot of fun, losing is also fun when youve been battling for minutes. Im kind of rambling now, dont remember what my point is lol

Eh, maybe when the highest BR was 6.7, maybe there was more skill. Most people playing props are either mindlessly grinding or seal clubbers. Unfortunately I am constantly fighting seal clubbers.

I think this is one of the big things, I remember when everyone sideclimbed to like 5km altitude now most people barely make it to 2km alt

I only “recently” started playing with planes. I was a GB player for likely 80% of the time that I have spend in WT. But I have noticed this as well. I blame this on smaller maps and the influx of people who expect the rounds to be over more quickly and therefore stay at low altitude. Similarly GB has become fast and cramped like World of Tanks.
Usually when I get into a match the game is over by the time I get to altitude (sometimes only 3000m), since the fighters fought their battle and only attackers or bombers are left. Leaving me to pick out a attacker or a bomber and then return to base or similar. So I shifted to GB and avoide the air modes until they change something.

I play from 2013, but i don’t really know how props are now , because i play only jets.
Some times it gets me and i play some t3 and above for BP tasks etc.

From the few things i’ve seen …yes the level has dropped , but let’s say it’s not really the main game now Well, it is the main game for people that play only WW2 and there is nothing wrong for someone’s endgame being WW2 era , but usually you see passersby - not end game and invested players.
Even if you see …how they call it some people … oh , yes LvL 100 !!! It’s nothing. He could be llvl 100 from ships or tanks or spam play premium jets or an older player that does tasks and doesn’t give 2 craps about competition anyway.

So that’s that. Most people are passersby.

If back there was better?
Yes. Back there not many played t5 (Meteor F.8/ MiG 15s/F-86s) . And needless to say t5 planes were incomplete anyway…I remember i played some games back there and it was like playing the beta of the beta.
So , most people played t3/4 and players cared way more for props than the t5 jets anyway.
Also, there were somewhat historical match ups at least till a point , then they called it realistic and then they made mixed matches.
But yes, it was fun.
And i’ll be real with you.

THE BEST was Japan. You could pick any Zero (all planes were Zeros) , get in… tie your rising sun bandana , put Butterfly song from Smile and feel the prestige, the status of being superior player because everyone will turnfight you, lose and go cry in the forums that his F4U is unhistorically nerfed or your Zero is unhistorically buffed , because US won the war and they downed so many Zeros easily…without even having in mind that every pilot literally said “don’t turnfight the Zeros” … 70 years of history and people still won’t listen what the actual pilot said.
That has to do with the US teams.

But when you went the other side and play US, suddenly your SKILLZ diminishing , like you entered an alternate world… and suddenly you understand that you are practically the only nation that you have to sideclimb/position yourself for 15 minutes (meanwhile it’s either you vs all , or you won’t even catch up to the fight) or when Germany was on the other side… they were already above you anyway.
Then you understand why US = bad players… because they won’t go all the procedure to make 500 pts, they can just go ground pound and if they are lucky get the gts and maybe some air kill.
From there is the phrase “US mains have skill issues” .
In other words, people did care more about props and got invested like they are with jets now.
BUT. Some of the issues were the same.
The saving grace and what carried the game heavily , was historical event battles… they were not perfect, but at least they were better than RB and you went to play different planes in these events and had modifiers for better RP/SL so you did not stuck with X premium for 5000 matches.
I mean , see how happy we are with the SEAD event even if it’s not SEAD and has issues. Imagine having that kind of events every week.

For me the game got significantly worse with Ground Forces. That’s with playerbase and the game itself. You see , many ground players HAD/HAVE to play air to grind a plane for CAS. They don’t really care to learn tactics/ air combat…they just want the plane to toss the bomb in their mode.
And it’s understandable , they won’t care about it. It’s not blaming them. It’s a fact. Everyone cares for what they care.

So yeah, even if the game wasn’t better across the board (other issues) , or you could find US teams struggling ,it was not as bad as it is now.
People cared more. People came in WT for dogfights.
Now…it’s not like this anymore and not in the same tiers.

Sorry for the wall of text , but getting to comparisons …it’s a proccess.

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We never had that time bc Sabre and MiGs were already implemented since when game released.

When historical MM was a thing every match had insane fights and dogfights - Someone somewhere always had a “unfair” advantage and people tried to counter said advantage with tactics.

For me this is the biggest problem, the connection to GRB. There is no balance at all between gaining ressources in ARB and GRB. And most of the players choose the easiest way.
And here we are again. Fixing the reward system in ARB that neither fits ARB itself could solve so many problems.

For events most of the time I play Ayit as a fighter. Most of the time more than half of the teams are ground pounders and most of them are GRB players in the first place only interested in gaining their personal ressources. Even half of the prem Mig21s are bombing…

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Bro watched linis video

No, this is my personal perspective (albeit cultivated by reading the forums and being in some discords). I havn’t even heard of the video until now.

For events most of the time I play Ayit as a fighter. Most of the time more than half of the teams are ground pounders and most of them are GRB players in the first place only interested in gaining their personal ressources. Even half of the prem Mig21s are bombing…

I find this part very interesting. Have you wonder why people are…bombing?

I believe the Avit is 9.3, with Aim-9D and flares.

The Avit itself is oppressive to people fighting. Just look at the Saab 105 bombers everywhere.

You also brought up Mig-21S…Aim-9B (and SARH version) at 9.7…against 10.7 planes where many has flares and can easily outrun the R-3.

Then I bring you the J-7D and Mig-21 Bison. Nearly no one bombs in them, because the ROI (return of investment) of using the missile is higher than bombing

The conclusion to why so many players bomb seem to be

  1. Their planes can’t compete in uptier, which is the “benchmark” of a plane for some people.

  2. The missiles sre more risky (as in getting no kills) to use than bombs.

Why flying/buying these planes when they know it’s a weak plane to fight with?
The answer is the players think it’s a easy plane to gain ressources. That`s what they are hearing everywhere. Most of youtubers tell them.
Grinding is a thing only based on a broken reward system.

It’s really that the game isn’t designed for US props to be viable, as on average their climb rates are terrible and they were designed for high-altitude performance - neither of which are good for a gamemode where you start on the ground. To get to a good altitude you have to sideclimb and by the time you’ve done that the match is likely over.

Edit: As a personal note, I don’t really understand why people say BnZ is viable in ARB. In Sim I could understand how the enemy is likely to not have the aim to just shoot you while you’re extending, but in ARB with mouse aim it just seems like all a turn-fighter needs to do to win is turn towards you while you’re extending and fire. Not to mention that most of the US’ fighters are restricted to BnZ at best

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-You don’t instantly get the Meta plane, that’s like 200-400k rp for a tier 6-7 plane alone.

-Some planes arent that bad, but BR compression makes them hopeless

-Some tech tree doesn’t have many good planes, like french tier 6. For a non prem jet player, one of the easiest way to grind is just to bomb with a 9.0 supersonic (smb2). You want to grind tier 7 that’s your only choice.

-Usually there’s only limited amount of premiums. For example in Israel, if you want grind the tree with a premium, you’ve only got the 2x missile kfir canard.

-Finally, some vehicles are situational or tedious to use, whether they’re good or not, that bombing is a good option because of their high speed: F-104C, AV-8C. Yak-38M, Mig-21F-13. I bomb in all of them.

Without flares they can’t do much against supersonic jets with good missiles (these are not your average slow A10s)

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2023-2025 avg skill < < 2022-2023 avg skill < < 2020-2021 avg skill (When I joined) < 2017-2019 -ish skills

So easy to have 3-4 kill games with an avg 2020 skill level in today’s match