not amazing but workable for sure
meant sarcastically but 6 R-27ER’s really blow 4 AIM-7M’s out of the water in every way. best SARH in the game
They forgot about the T-72B3A, this tank should be at 12.0, but not at 12.3, lmao
How the heck does that go right?
Even if F-15’s radar is iffy as you claim, it doesn’t justify that it needs to face PD Phantoms and slaughter them.
Especially when it is still armed with 4x AIM-9M.
What is your next step? Sending F/A-18C Early down to 12.3 and pairing it with F/A-18A?
Serious discussion…
Honestly, with due all respect, Sire, I can’t understand how this can be a serious discussion when the main topic of discussion itself isn’t serious?
Gaijin’s Balancing.
Decision of sending F-15A/J down for solving R-27ER problem itself was ridiculous.
So, no. I cannot be serious about this discussion.
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Again. Go and play it. Prove you end up enjoying the radar to such extent it should stay at 13.0.
Players may be bad, but that argument only goes so far on the F-15A’s case. It has way more nuances under the hood that many here who haven’t even test drived it know about.
I’ve never defended the F-15A going to 12.7 without at least a revision of its ordnance.
Never said such thing, stop with the cheap strawman. I’ve always said the F/A-18A or Early F/A-18C at 12.3/12.7 respectively are way more worthy as medium range/BVR contenders than the F-15A due to their radars. Sparrows live or die depending on the radar they’re fired from, and the F/A-18s have a much powerful radar on the average engagement areas of 12.ish BR range.
They should do their damn job and fix the radar to make the F-15As kit competitive at 13.0.
You cannot expect players to use the F-15As radar as the Hornet’s radar when its somehow weaker.
Therefore, you cannot expect a plane to even perform decently with a subpar radar when half of its kit is locked to be essentially radar-dependent.
Lol.
it and every other 13.0 has been doing that for some time now
i think its more for the Su-30MK’s
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Its wild how one of the most battered planes ever released on a major winter update gets so much hate when it gets mediocre results alongside the Mirage 4000 out of the alleged top 13.0 dogs.
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more recently, its straight up just outclassed by the premium F-2A
this is a travesty
literally only compressed the game further
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I honestly think, if radar is still a problem, it should’ve been solved by sending others higher
Of course, which Gaijin will never do. If they did, we wouldn’t be arguing at all.
Yes, I know about this part. Playerbase of the US are being famous for having bad players due to ‘cool looking planes since WW2 till today’.
From Kittyhawk to Lighting II.
Still, it doesn’t mean that it should be the same BR with Harrier GR.7(12.7), or having slightly higher BR than Tornado GR.4(12.3)
If Gaijin keeps AIM-9M and AAM-4 on those damn F-15s. It shouldn’t have lower BR treatment at all.
No matter how F-15A bad or not, the current situation of cherry-picking balancing targets is purely nonsense.
Yeah, I saw those before. Still, it won’t change that Gaijin decided that F-15A is going to 12.7 without revision of her ordnance.
Mate, you know what sacarsm is. right…?
:|
Well, if you want to think that was strawmanning, okay. If it makes you happy, and if it makes me easier to get punched down.
Fixing the radar, or decompressing a lot much more than we got; there would be multiple ways to make her competitive.
But Gaijin chose the worst option.
Making Phantom’s kit incompetent by power creeps. even further.
You also cannot expect players to use the F-4Ss radar as Eagle’s radar when its weaker as it should.
You can also apply it to PD phantoms.
So, it will go like a slippery slope.
F-4S will eventually be 11.7, then F-4E eventually be 11.0 and so on.
Strawmanning? nah, just like how we experienced on lower BR this time.
Subsonic attackers with All-Aspect missiles kept those early supersonic fighters such as F-104/MiG-19 in 9.3BR for decades, then
-Most iconic subsonic fighters built from the ‘Biggest Two main nations’ got buffed down for one step (F-86 and MiG-15/17)
-Then Supersonic attacker without a missile got buffed down from 9.3 to 9.0 (Su-7)
The Point where I got mad about is
Gaijin mainly takes care of Americans/Soviets. while neglecting others.
Before, F-86 and MiGs were selected to liberate from supersonic threats.
But meanwhile, Mystere and Swift are not allowed to.
When the F-16A got buffed down from 12.7 to 12.3 because of ‘No SARH’
Netz, which has Python 3 and also has no SARH got rotten for decades. (This part will get solved very soon. :| )
Now, Gaijin only takes care of F-15A when overpowered premium jets such as Su-30 are a threat.
I still believe this is a really annoying issue as well, this whole proxy balancing related to the big three and expecting the rest to just float around the changes, like the Falcon situation bs, when everyone knows Oerlikon’s cannons are also part of the SPAA problem (and even a bigger part).
And the premium F-2. But yeah, in the end, I despise vehicles getting moved or balanced only after a meta shift that reveals their weaknesses and not before when they might’ve needed it.
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i mean the 18C was lower than the 15A with a better radar, but the front only PD phantoms are still 2 steps down. not a good balance situation but i dont think itll end up in a slippery slope for the F-4’s
Decompression was seriously needed between 12.0-13.7/14.0 and Gaijin still didn’t delivered.
Although I still believe the F-15A can sit at 12.7 without 9Ms and not being a menace, they’re incresingly playing lazy in BR changes, not doing meaningful movements in several BRs, and proof of that is the existance of several compressed range brackets: 7.0-8.0, 8.7-9.7, 11.0-12.0, 12.0-13.0, 12.3-13.3 and so on till’ like 14.0.
Yeah, those neglected vehicles are… Christ…
For example…
I still reckon why Meteor F.8 and Vampire FB.5 still need to be the same BR with ‘most iconic two jets in forgotten war’.
F-86A-5 and MiG-15.
Our friends from the south which used Meteor F. Mk. 8, literally got slaughtered by MiG-15 even though they fought valiantly.
There is no historical reason that technically inferior planes, which were historically dunked by counterparts in the same BR.
You can expect worse. :|
Not a single touch, even after a meta shift, revealed their weaknesses.
Such as… Bomber variant of Vautours, or B-66B as an example.
Cospiracy: Gaijin is planning to phase out those rank 7 premium jets, such as MiG-23ML, F-104S-TAF, F-4J(UK), F-4S, by making them unplayable via further compression.
If Gaijin is really planning to buff F-15A’s BR down with no AIM-9M removal,
F-14A might needs At least AIM-9L, and Tonka GR.4 should have been 11.7 long ago.
All of this feels like nothing but double standards.
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I’ll quote a media classic on this one:
A good conspiracy is unprovable. I mean, if you can prove it, it means they screwed up somewhere along the line.
It doesn’t seem far fetched tbh.
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I’m sorry to bring this up again, and I’ve read the entire conversation, but please let me say this.
I’ve only recently started using the F-15A, but I still can’t see any reason to downgrade it at this point.
Of course, I understand your argument that “if the F-15A is to be downgraded to 12.7, it should not be equipped with the 9M.”
Give it 100+ games. By then, the bs becomes relatively frequent.
Got it, I’ll get right on it.
Though I’m using the Israeli Baz, not the American one.
If 100 battles is enough, then it’ll be over in half that time.
One more thing.
I also think the current BR for the F/A-18A and C (Early) is low.
Well, it’s not that it’s too low compared to the F-15A—I just want to say it’s weird that it has the same BR as the F/A-18A Kurnass 2000.
The F/A-18A could perfectly be at 12.7, but I assume Gaijin doesn’t move them to not hand them AIM-7Ps.
As for the premium F/A-18Cs, I haven’t played any, so I honestly have no idea if they’d need IRCCM missiles to go to 13.0.
Imagine the F/A-18A with AIM-7Ps and more missiles