Makes sense, it just seems like Gaijin isn’t willing to properly decompress especially from 8.7+, and if they were to properly decompress I’d have to guess the current top tiers would be around 16.0, or even more. Unfortunately, it seems that Gaijin thinks a 0.3 increase in new top-tier jets they add is enough.
What is stopping Gaijin from differentiating BR on an actual 0.1 scale instead of 0.3? For instance vehicles at 4.1 would not meet something else at 5.2, might be a bit easier than just stretching the top BR.
Next month I want gajin decompression max BR to 13.7 & 14.0, and add new WVR Air-to-Air Missile instead placeholder for 6 aircraft in the first major update or second major update next year
The game’s already compressed enough, adding more advanced fox-2s are going to make the situation even worse imo, this shouldn’t be talked about right now.
Call it a skill issue but I already have trouble reliably flaring current IRCCMs in this 16 v 16 matchmaker. IRCCMs alone can be dealt with but paired with fox-3s I simply cannot keep up
If they want to add more advanced missiles we need a proper decompression first, and perhaps new game modes.
I don’t think next generation WVR Air-to-Air Missile for fighter aircraft top tier delays until Q2 2026 or 2 years because wait very long time 😞
I want gajin considered Python 4 for F-16C/D Block 40 Barak, Kfir C.10 Block 60 and F-15I Ra’am in the first or second major update after decompression max BR
Next month gajin decompression battle rating to 14.3 (Air AB, RB & SB) for aircraft rank 8. maybe
14.3 is simply not enough, the 14.0s currently should be at least 14.7 right now. I would gladly wait 2 years until the next-gen WVR missiles come. The game is progressing too fast, and it needs to take a break and sort the compression out before adding new top-tier/missiles.
For Python 4s, perhaps they could be added in a gimped state (e.g. just having one type of IRCCM instead of both of them) for Israel
New list based on the replies I got:
15.0: EF, Rafale, F-15E/I
14.7: F-15C/J(M), M2K-5F, J-10A
14.3: Su-27SM, J-11A, Gripen C, F-16C/D/AM
14.0: 29SMT, JF-17, Su-34
13.7: F-4F ICE, Tornado F.3 Late, Kfir Block 60 (Not sure how it performs)
13.3: AV-8B+, Sea Harrier FA2, Su-27, J-11, Su-33, F-15A/J, M4K, Gripen A, J-8F, Ja37DI, Mig-29G (could be 13.0, but in my experience its workable at the same BR as the planes on here)
13.0 F-14B, F-14 IRAIF
12.7 stay where they are
I’ve heard that the Su-27SM performs better now with the recent FM/engine upgrade but not sure how much better- anyone have a comment on that?
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Good Idea.
I would add
US F-16A to 12.3
French F-16A stays 13.0 considering the current 13.0’s get moved up to 13.3 etc
Yak141 to 13.0
J-8F having PL-12 is still no reason to have it the same BR as SU-27.
Gajin might decompression battle rating to 15.0 in 2 years or 2027
Typhoon FGR.4 : 2x AIM-132 Blk I & 2x AIM-120C-7 stock, and received AIM-132 Blk 6 & Meteor
Rafale C F3-R : 2x MICA IR & 2x MICA EM stock, get Meteor but reduced 8x MICA EM → 6x MICA EM
But Mirage 2000-5F and J-10A can’t higher 14.3
F-15C MSIP II : 2x AIM-9M-9 & 2x AIM-120C-5 stock, add AIM-9X and AIM-120C-7. but retain AN/APG-63(V)1 or convert to AN/APG-63(V) 2 AESA
F-15J (M) : increased lock-range AAM-4 16 km → 20 km, and received AAM-5
Su-27SM & J-11A could get R-73M and up to 14.0
JAS 39 Gripen C from 3 countries BR to 14.3
JAS 39 C EBS HU : up to 14.0 and AIM-120A replace with AIM-120C-5
Gripen C (SE) : RB 98 to replace RB 74 (M)
Gripen C (RTAF) : AIM-9M instead AIM-9L stock, 4x AIM-9L replace with IRIS-T and AIM-120C-5 to replace AIM-120B
F-4F KWS-LV and Tornado F3 late not changed BR
Kfir C.10 (Block 60) : up to 14.0 and add Python 4 in Q1 next year
AV-8B+, Sea Harrier FA.2, Su-27, J-11, Su-33, F-15A, F-15J, M4K, JA37DI and MiG-29G not changed BR except Gripen A & J-8F
Gripen A : RB 71 replace with RB 99 but removed RB 74 (M)
J-8F: received PL-8B if go to 13.3
F-16C/D Block 40 Barak : AIM-9M replace with Python 4 but removed medium-range Air-to-Air Missile only (AIM-7M, AIM-120A & Derby) and go to 14.0
F-16AM MLU : BR 13.7 → 14.3, and AIM-9X instead AIM-9L but removed AIM-7M
F-16C Block 50 : AIM-120C-5 instead AIM-120A but AIM-9L & AIM-7M replace by AIM-9X & AIM-120C-3
F-16A ADF (USAF) : add AIM-9M & AIM-120A and go to 13.3
F-16A ADF (ITA) : AIM-7M replace with 6x AIM-120B and add AIM-9L/I-1
Should it be lower in your opinion?
Right, that looks good- was thinking that 13.0 was missing some jets
I’m guessing the F-16ADF would be 12.7 then?
For the French F-16A, it could be 13.3, considering I put the Gripen A at 13.3, but honestly, I’m not sure how it performs but I thought it’s similar to the Gripen A.
France’s F-16A is hard to balance, it is essentially an ADF (block15) with aim-9m only, and you can bring more countermeasures only if you ditch 1 or 2 missiles.
The Swedish Gripen A is a far superior package, enjoys a TON of countermeasures, better FM and has a modern radar with HMD.
Having said that, I would consider the F-15A better than the Gripen A and the early flankers are a bit better than the F-15A.
To be honest I am not sure where to put them. But the French F-16A can’t be at the same level of the F-15A and flankers that’s for sure.
The F-15A has similar (or better?) dogfight performance than the block15 with far more countermeasures, much better radar with pseudo-TWS called PD RAM, more missiles, and sparrows.
Maybe F-16A and Gripen A at 13.0 since at least the F-16A can bomb a base or 2 to compensate for the higher air to air efficiency of the gripen A
Then the F-15A and J-11/su-27 at 13.3 I guess
I see, ty for the info. 13.0 for the French F-16A seems like the right BR then. In my experience with the Gripen A, it can compete with the Su-27s and F-15A, although it does lack the missile kit, its FM and countermeasures help out a lot. Skyflashes do work short range but it’s unreliable- still a nice option to have a fox-1 which the French F-16A lacks.
It’s similar to the Mig-29G, an excellent missile kit but 6 missiles do feel lacking against things such as the flanker and the eagle- maybe it can also stay at 13.0.
Yes, unless it gets better IR missiles. It is a flying brick that can’t dogfight anything at that BR, can’t our-run anything at that BR, has PL-8 (so no IRCCM), and only 2x Fox-3 which is the entire reason it’s 13.0 (currently). If Gaijin cared about the J-8F (which they don’t), they’d move it down or they will give it PL-8B.
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So it’s similar to the Ja37DI? Or would you say its worse? It only gets 9Ls as well, but it does have 4x amraams and a lot of CM. Viggen’s FM is quite poor now so I guessed the J-8 flies better. Don’t know how J-8F’s radar and RWR is but Viggen’s RWR is also quite poor. Radar is fine. I put the 37DI and J-8F (assumed their capabilities are similar) at the same BR so was wondering if I should put both down to 13.0, or only the J-8F.
The J-8F is the better platform. But the JA37DI is the better package. Think like F-15A vs su-27.
Advantages of the J-8F:
-Considerably faster acceleration
-Better energy retention and sustained turn rate, very similar to mig21bis FM, still a very poor dogfighter for 13.0.
-PL-12s are MUCH better than aim120 for HOBS shots.
-HMS to be able to make those HOBS
-Slightly better IR missiles.
-Far superior digital RWR
Advantages of the JA37DI:
-Much higher top speed at low altitude
-Able to carry 4 fox3 (most impactful advantage)
-Aim120 has more range but it’s not a huge deal compared to the PL12
-Tighter turn circle (but at a considerably slower turn rate)
-Responds “well” with full controls to make stall maneuvers, higher nose authority.
-Much higher countermeasure count and single drop per press. (J-8F drops 2 which is even worse)
-Better gun, much faster rounds
The instantaneous turn rate is similar between them with a tiny advantage for the Viggen.
The Viggen is the better package for the meta, but I’m not sure if it deserves to be 0.3 higher than the J-8F.
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There needs to be an asterisk in there. Yes, it has a large CM count, but 320 of those are BOL which are 1/4 the strength of regular CMs (ahistorical nerf applied to all BOL but intended to nerf the gripen). This means at a bare minimum, you need to spam of 4+ BOL Chaff to equal 1 regular CM, but in my experience, BOL Chaff is so ineffective, you need a couple dozen to defeat even a single ARH.
So whilst it should have a much higher CM count (and is a key strength which should balance aircraft like the DI and FA2) in reality, its not as big a buff as it should be and they really really need to fix BOL, perticularly the chaff
I’d much rather have the BOL than 80-100 double-drop large countermeasures. BOL works completely fine in my experience. I know they are weaker, but you can afford to spam soo much more of them which is very useful against aim-9m and to make bursts of chaff in the notch.
In my experience 2-4 BOL chaff is enough, sometimes even 1-2