Thank you, I’ve never really come across Amraam harriers much, I thought their kit would make them better than the 37DI.
Sea Harrier FA2 has the same airframe as the earlier Harrier 1s (AV-8A, Harrier Gr1/3, Sea Harrier FRS1, etc) but with a better engine. So it doesnt turn anywhere near as well as the Harrier Gr7 or AV-8B+. Whilst it can carry 4x AMRAAM, that is all it can carry and has no access to IR missiles or even a gun with that config. It holds essentially the same CMs as the Viggen DI (60 CMs + 320 BOL vs 48 LCMs + 320 BOL)
Only major advantage the FA2 really holds over the Viggen is an excellent RWR and a better radar.
AV-8B+ Doesnt have as many limitations, better turn performance being a Harrier 2 and can run IR + Gun + AMRAAM but it is still sub-sonic which does hurt it and it should have half the number of CMs (though with BOL performance, it probably has more relatively speaking due to the amount of BOL needed to defeat anything). I think its radar is about equal to the Viggen D but it does still have the better RWR.
AV-8B+ is tough because it can turn fight well in a 1v1 fight and isnt limited on loadout, but being sub-sonic vs the mach 2 stuff I imagine really sucks, so it would be the top end of the 13.3 bracket, but not quite 13.7.
Ive only played the FA2 and Harrier Gr7 so basing my opinion on the AV-8B+ via those 2 similar airframes
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I see, I agree with you. I also believe 15.0 would be better but because we’ve only seen Gaijin decompress by two steps, I didn’t think they would decompress to 15.0 in one go. Also, may I ask why you think a BR gap of 0.7 is a worse solution for the long term? I do agree that a proper decompression is better than reducing the BR gap though.
Having 4 BR steps in a bracket is better than only having 3. It allows for more fine tuning of vehicle BRs in a single bracket, and it can be more easily balanced overall.
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Makes sense, it just seems like Gaijin isn’t willing to properly decompress especially from 8.7+, and if they were to properly decompress I’d have to guess the current top tiers would be around 16.0, or even more. Unfortunately, it seems that Gaijin thinks a 0.3 increase in new top-tier jets they add is enough.
What is stopping Gaijin from differentiating BR on an actual 0.1 scale instead of 0.3? For instance vehicles at 4.1 would not meet something else at 5.2, might be a bit easier than just stretching the top BR.
Next month I want gajin decompression max BR to 13.7 & 14.0, and add new WVR Air-to-Air Missile instead placeholder for 6 aircraft in the first major update or second major update next year
The game’s already compressed enough, adding more advanced fox-2s are going to make the situation even worse imo, this shouldn’t be talked about right now.
Call it a skill issue but I already have trouble reliably flaring current IRCCMs in this 16 v 16 matchmaker. IRCCMs alone can be dealt with but paired with fox-3s I simply cannot keep up
If they want to add more advanced missiles we need a proper decompression first, and perhaps new game modes.
I don’t think next generation WVR Air-to-Air Missile for fighter aircraft top tier delays until Q2 2026 or 2 years because wait very long time 😞
I want gajin considered Python 4 for F-16C/D Block 40 Barak, Kfir C.10 Block 60 and F-15I Ra’am in the first or second major update after decompression max BR
Next month gajin decompression battle rating to 14.3 (Air AB, RB & SB) for aircraft rank 8. maybe
14.3 is simply not enough, the 14.0s currently should be at least 14.7 right now. I would gladly wait 2 years until the next-gen WVR missiles come. The game is progressing too fast, and it needs to take a break and sort the compression out before adding new top-tier/missiles.
For Python 4s, perhaps they could be added in a gimped state (e.g. just having one type of IRCCM instead of both of them) for Israel
New list based on the replies I got:
15.0: EF, Rafale, F-15E/I
14.7: F-15C/J(M), M2K-5F, J-10A
14.3: Su-27SM, J-11A, Gripen C, F-16C/D/AM
14.0: 29SMT, JF-17, Su-34
13.7: F-4F ICE, Tornado F.3 Late, Kfir Block 60 (Not sure how it performs)
13.3: AV-8B+, Sea Harrier FA2, Su-27, J-11, Su-33, F-15A/J, M4K, Gripen A, J-8F, Ja37DI, Mig-29G (could be 13.0, but in my experience its workable at the same BR as the planes on here)
13.0 F-14B, F-14 IRAIF
12.7 stay where they are
I’ve heard that the Su-27SM performs better now with the recent FM/engine upgrade but not sure how much better- anyone have a comment on that?
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Good Idea.
I would add
US F-16A to 12.3
French F-16A stays 13.0 considering the current 13.0’s get moved up to 13.3 etc
Yak141 to 13.0
J-8F having PL-12 is still no reason to have it the same BR as SU-27.
Gajin might decompression battle rating to 15.0 in 2 years or 2027
Typhoon FGR.4 : 2x AIM-132 Blk I & 2x AIM-120C-7 stock, and received AIM-132 Blk 6 & Meteor
Rafale C F3-R : 2x MICA IR & 2x MICA EM stock, get Meteor but reduced 8x MICA EM → 6x MICA EM
But Mirage 2000-5F and J-10A can’t higher 14.3
F-15C MSIP II : 2x AIM-9M-9 & 2x AIM-120C-5 stock, add AIM-9X and AIM-120C-7. but retain AN/APG-63(V)1 or convert to AN/APG-63(V) 2 AESA
F-15J (M) : increased lock-range AAM-4 16 km → 20 km, and received AAM-5
Su-27SM & J-11A could get R-73M and up to 14.0
JAS 39 Gripen C from 3 countries BR to 14.3
JAS 39 C EBS HU : up to 14.0 and AIM-120A replace with AIM-120C-5
Gripen C (SE) : RB 98 to replace RB 74 (M)
Gripen C (RTAF) : AIM-9M instead AIM-9L stock, 4x AIM-9L replace with IRIS-T and AIM-120C-5 to replace AIM-120B
F-4F KWS-LV and Tornado F3 late not changed BR
Kfir C.10 (Block 60) : up to 14.0 and add Python 4 in Q1 next year
AV-8B+, Sea Harrier FA.2, Su-27, J-11, Su-33, F-15A, F-15J, M4K, JA37DI and MiG-29G not changed BR except Gripen A & J-8F
Gripen A : RB 71 replace with RB 99 but removed RB 74 (M)
J-8F: received PL-8B if go to 13.3
F-16C/D Block 40 Barak : AIM-9M replace with Python 4 but removed medium-range Air-to-Air Missile only (AIM-7M, AIM-120A & Derby) and go to 14.0
F-16AM MLU : BR 13.7 → 14.3, and AIM-9X instead AIM-9L but removed AIM-7M
F-16C Block 50 : AIM-120C-5 instead AIM-120A but AIM-9L & AIM-7M replace by AIM-9X & AIM-120C-3
F-16A ADF (USAF) : add AIM-9M & AIM-120A and go to 13.3
F-16A ADF (ITA) : AIM-7M replace with 6x AIM-120B and add AIM-9L/I-1
Should it be lower in your opinion?
Right, that looks good- was thinking that 13.0 was missing some jets
I’m guessing the F-16ADF would be 12.7 then?
For the French F-16A, it could be 13.3, considering I put the Gripen A at 13.3, but honestly, I’m not sure how it performs but I thought it’s similar to the Gripen A.
France’s F-16A is hard to balance, it is essentially an ADF (block15) with aim-9m only, and you can bring more countermeasures only if you ditch 1 or 2 missiles.
The Swedish Gripen A is a far superior package, enjoys a TON of countermeasures, better FM and has a modern radar with HMD.
Having said that, I would consider the F-15A better than the Gripen A and the early flankers are a bit better than the F-15A.
To be honest I am not sure where to put them. But the French F-16A can’t be at the same level of the F-15A and flankers that’s for sure.
The F-15A has similar (or better?) dogfight performance than the block15 with far more countermeasures, much better radar with pseudo-TWS called PD RAM, more missiles, and sparrows.
Maybe F-16A and Gripen A at 13.0 since at least the F-16A can bomb a base or 2 to compensate for the higher air to air efficiency of the gripen A
Then the F-15A and J-11/su-27 at 13.3 I guess
I see, ty for the info. 13.0 for the French F-16A seems like the right BR then. In my experience with the Gripen A, it can compete with the Su-27s and F-15A, although it does lack the missile kit, its FM and countermeasures help out a lot. Skyflashes do work short range but it’s unreliable- still a nice option to have a fox-1 which the French F-16A lacks.
It’s similar to the Mig-29G, an excellent missile kit but 6 missiles do feel lacking against things such as the flanker and the eagle- maybe it can also stay at 13.0.
Yes, unless it gets better IR missiles. It is a flying brick that can’t dogfight anything at that BR, can’t our-run anything at that BR, has PL-8 (so no IRCCM), and only 2x Fox-3 which is the entire reason it’s 13.0 (currently). If Gaijin cared about the J-8F (which they don’t), they’d move it down or they will give it PL-8B.