War Thunder is pay to win

And I was in the top 10 clans in the days when WOT was the big one to play, we won countless matches, are you telling me WoT wasn’t competitive?
it has no SBMM, no ranked matches, only teh clan battles every so often same as warthunder?

I had to play the game like a damn job to maintain a position and remain you guessed it competitive and not be worse than the opposition.

it’s literally an advantage for you, the higher their ping the worse the game runs forthem

then by the definition of compete / competition and competitive war thunder is a competitive game you ninny

you calling on a cigeratte advertisments from 7 decades ago is no where near the same as a game from 2010 era having to meet specific criteria to be advertised as what it is.

Yeah, it will deploy up to combat flaps setting and they’ll stay attached at reasonable speed but getting to takeoff is kinda problematic, my ARB go to tactic is to bleed speed super fast and place all my bets on 1 quick takeoff/landing flaps turn and 1 shot. If I miss, I’m cooked, lol.

My bad, with all those cratess its hard to keep in mind all the prices. Yes, its 5 hard tasks for bush and 20 for random talisman
tho them premium machines still require 15+ tasks completed

they will have quite different outcomes for sure

Can we not pretend that bushes is cool in this game?
I don’t need to see your cosmetic bushes on any circumstance and there should be an option to disable it. This is not a MMORPG where people have to farm ITEMS to be better than the others.

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But the whole game is about farming. Vehicles, modules, warbonds, medals, events…

Personally, I like them; I think they make the game more realistic, even if it would be better to have camouflage skins right away, like on the premium vehicles, but we can dream.

Just as you can dream about them removing them. The battle is lost before it’s even begun. Suggesting a different, and perhaps easier, way to obtain them would be a better use of our energy, in my opinion.

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You can keep ur bushes, no issues, but I dont have to see it from my POV

Oh yes, I didn’t understand, indeed I wouldn’t be against it, it’s mainly for the style as far as I’m concerned.

They will both be food for the better players. You can put them on 150 crews as well, same result. Neither bushes nor crew will compensate lack of experience for new players.

Thing is other games exist with the same planes and mechanics.

Some crazy good il2 bf 109 g6 player is expected to do well in warthunder as well.

Then they get hit with magic g tolerances when in il2 nobody could keep up with certain maneuvers without dlying into the ground.

Or even more telling would be a D mudtang with G suit. In il2gb g suit mustangs can legit win dogfights by glocing 109s. In warthunder that wont happen if they fight a maxed expert crew (case in point: see my earlier videos where my 109f4 sits above 7G to ride a P38’s tail).

But we dont need hypotheticals.

We just need 2 relatively equally skilled asb players with roughly equal duelling capability and:

Make them fight 10 duel matches in bf 109 F4 with their aced crew slot.

10 matches both with an empty crew slot.

10 matches where A is aced, B is empty.

10 matches where B is aced, A is empty.

My hypothesis is that we would observe a statistically significant tendency for the player with the aced crew to win independent of whether it is A or B.

Empty means 0/0 g/stamina. Aced is 5/5+expert+aced

Sure, sure, bmpt and t58 are not a problem.
They are extremely balanced vehicles.
The Su-30 Mk2 and MKK are better than the vast majority of the 13.7, but for some reason it’s stuck at 13.3 and mostly faces aircraft without FOX3 , destroying all the machts .

And will have blatantly better results between one another. Yes, thats what P2W is.

So a 4k display is pay2win too.

Sure is. But its not something devs are in charge of.

So we can simply ignore the effect of a 100.000 GE screen but focus on the effect of a 500 GE bush. OK.

The screen already settles that Warthunder is pay2win. And removal of the bushges won’t change it. Done.

Yes, because one is a dev’s responsibility and other isnt. We can rant on dev to make the graphics not prehistoric and plainly grey so even cheap screens would show adequate picture, but otherwise its not dev’s fault you dont have 4K game monitor. But when it comes to anything payable, and described as “decorative” yet rewarding with better performance against same skill level player? Its downright dev`s fault.

Their “fault” does not cause the game to be p2w nor can they make it not p2w by removing it.

Surely does.

They can make it less p2w by removing and/or making them turn-off function same as “unhistoric content” ones. Then only thing left would be to not create p2w op machines.

If a 4k display makes the game p2w, then the removal of bushes won’t change that.

And it isn’t just 4k, it is controllers, internet connection, sound…
If you want to remove p2w in this game, you should only be allowed access on one resolution, one frame rate, a max_ping requirement, one keyboard layout, 2 mouse buttons etc. Everyone else can only access test drive. Then the removal of bushes would make a difference.

That just doesnt make sense other than protecting obvius P2W mechanic the game has. Just a polemic which has sense, but little sense.