Yes because spending tens of hours grinding an event vehicle worth $20 is definitely worth all that time you’d have to put in. Its not the problem that Gaijin is trying to make money its the fact they blatantly ignore unbalanced things within the game for a profit. Hell they probably could make more than enough money from premium time and the market place alone, people spend hundreds to literally get one vehicle and there are thousands of player that always have premium time up. Worst part is that they make the sales worse and worse as the years go by so people are more enticed to buy vehicles not on sale.
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You will always be in competition with such people that is my point.No level playing field anywhere.
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This is something desirable.
PLAYER SKILL should matter in a PvP game. Now, SBMM would be ideal or at least a ranked mode to avoid situations where you stomp a lobby and it feels dirty, or situations where the enemy team is sitting above your airfield and farming planes taking off.
None the less, PLAYER SKILL meaning one player consistently outperforms another player either in a mirror match-up, or a fair assymetric match-up is a GOOD THING.
AAB/ARB are a mess using controller, yes.
However, one of the ASB streamers I watch consistently literally plays on an XBOX controller and does quite well. It does take configuration - the default settings are utterly horrid for controller, mouse joystick and real flightstick. Do note: Mouse joystick, not mouse aim. There’s a world of difference.
I do concede people with certain hardware have a out-of-match advantage that is not personal skill/strategy/teamwork (VR, head tracking). However, it is not something created by gaijin or the game itself, just a consequence of “flying a plane in first person and needing 3D awareness.” Their dedicated first person flight game, Aces of Thunder seems to seek to solve this by requiring VR by default.
This a legitimate issue and there should be better server availability for oceania/eastern asia.
This sounds like a control issue. New players coming into Full-real controls using Mouse joystick run into the same issue. For mouse joystick, the solution is to move from “simplified” (it keeps your plane level and max aileron input only gives 90 degree bank rather than inversion and pitching up is not allowed beyond some 80 degrees) to “standard.” This does mean Y axis becomes inverted.
For x-box controller, I imagine the issue has to be something similar or the instructor getting in the way if using it in RB.
ANYHOW
Player skill giving consistent advantage = Good.
Server location giving disadvantage = Not good.
Gaijin-developed and implemented features that favour one side even in a mirror match up = No respectable PvP game does this, not even freemium models (MWO, LoL).
Player hardware giving an advantage = Not ideal, but such does persist even in pinnacles of E-sport balancing like Dota 2. Furthermore, a lot of hardware differences can be compensated and equalized with proper set-up and mindful practice until that set-up feels second nature.
So you must surely support somebody who is a novice from ever being able to go up against a true expert as it’s unfair? A player of ten years against somebody on their first few games at 1 BR? Somebody in a fully modded tank or plane vs somebody who only just acquired one? Imbalance at F2P level.
Gaijin could simply say the same as I am saying.There is purposely ,no equality so what does it matter and they may also say that they feel the balance between p2p and f2p is about right in terms of fairness and also to encourage spending.
Dont forget they do want you to spend but they dont wish to ruin their own game.Bear in mind the last person I responded to had 11000 games under their belt so they hardly quit in a huff did they? Just come on here to moan and insult every paying player.
So WT is P2W but all these F2P people still stick around for years on end.
I accept you are a good and intelligent flyer with a passion for this area of the game.Are Gaijin asking too much for you to chuck in a bit to address the G suit issue?
If the game is bringing genuine happiness and filling in time for you then spending a bit on a past time is not a problem.Big difference between upping a few crew skills and spending $60 dollars on an virtual tank.
The money I spent on this game would have gone to the local bar if I had of gone out instead of staying in playing silly tank games so overall I can’t complain.Let me tell you ,I spent more early on when I was playing my worse.I play better now and I haven’t had Premium for a year.
Bushes mean nothing the moment you fire that gun anyway. I would take my money back on those tomorrow.I might pay $60 for a hack that gives me a full down tier every time because that would be pay to win but if we didn’t have stats who would know or care?
Maybe that is the issue,a fixation with how good our stats look over enjoying the game.
No, I am not missing it. Randomness means: if the same operation is performed under the same circumstances, you can get different results. (We don’t need to draw on any game here)
In what way is that different from grinding any other free vehicle in the game that you can’t sell? You should play for fun. If you don’t, you should reconsider your hobby.
I suspect that many people are not playing for fun but are defining their ego over ingame performance.
Yep, every second BP the warbond store has them. I maintain my warbonds to about 1500-2000 in prep for them being 2500-2800.
I agree 100%, crew plot and crew skill are extremely p2w mechanics, As if that wasn’t enough, if you remove the vehicle from one slot to another you have to pay for the training and specialization all over again.
This is one of the things that prevents War Thunder from being a competitive game, War Thunder just doesn’t have an e-sports scene stronger because of it.
Bruh, Do you know how much RP you need to upgrade your crew from specialist to ace in a top tier fighter?
1kk 350k rp, one million and 350 thousand research points…
Do you have any idea how much RP this is?
With 1kk 350k rp is rp equivalent to 1/4 of an entire nation (in the air), and all this for a single vehicle,
There is no way to have enough time to create all this RP before the next vehicle is released into the game and makes your previous one obsolete.
In the tanks part, this is even worse, because you have to assemble an entire line up.
Have you ever stopped to think that you leave certain gameplay/mechanics miserable for a long period of time, to frustrate the player or leave him exhausted with absurd grinding that makes the game seem like the myth of Sisfus, and all of this is done purposefully precisely to generate a sense of urgency, because being a free player you will never end the miserable gameplay in a timely manner to enjoy the game… and this design is p2w, there is no p2p, if you need to pay to progress in a timely manner and your success in the game depends on the progress, it is p2w.
p2p is the fancy way of saying that the game is p2w.
And for you to defend this in two ways, either you’ve already spent enough money on this game that you don’t want any changes because that would make your investment in vain and bring you immense frustration.
Or you are in some way one of the millions of people who are psychologically vulnerable to this type of predatory practices. (I’m not saying this as a demerit, this really exists and is exploited by game markets, especially gachas, I’m not saying this to offend you, I include myself in this group of people, I have been a victim of this many times).
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I couldn’t care less what people say about the game or what it is.
The definition that people are talking about is P2P not P2W. Use proper words.
Does it really matter what words are used?
Firstly, your argument is entirely about semantics. Might I remind you that definitions of words are often arbitrary and differ among who you ask? It is the same situation you are trying to describe here. P2W, P2P, still the same unfair mechanics you debate over while Gaijin dies of laughter in the background. At a certain point, it becomes meaningless; arguing for the sake of arguing.
Secondly, sources like Cambridge Dictionary don’t make the same distinction you do between these two terms. By its definition, P2W is simply paying to get an advantage. And an advantage that can be matched by time is an advantage nonetheless. Your definition is much more arbitrary and lacks authority.
It does.
Even if it did matter, it would still not be a central point of conversation. Regardless of your intentions, your posts only serve to redirect attention away from the issue at hand.
It is like seeing a starving man, and, instead of giving him food, you argue with him that what he really experiences is called “hunger” and not “starvation”.
It doesn’t. You come into every thread trying to defend broken features and immoral practices by the executives who don’t know anything about video games. P2P is just P2W with extra steps.
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Please cite me where I have defended anything that was described.
Just because I say that it is P2P not P2W doesn’t mean that it is any better or that it is not bad.
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Is anyone here opposed to the idea that ace can not be bought, only gained by play?
That’s fairs, I don’t have the time to grind battle passes anymore. I might get 10 hours a week if I’m lucky so I just stick to the tree grind.
The bare minimum of daily logins can net you quite a bit.
I’m in an advantageous position being that the roll over for it is midday here, so I can quickly login prior to ensure I don’t break the streak, then log back in after the rollover to have it clocked in.
Does WT Mobile count your log ins as they promised in the roadmap? I’ve tried WT Mobile and can’t enjoy it purely because playing on a touch screen is horrendous but I can have it installed to quickly log in I suppose.
They say it does, but I don’t know if it counts the rewards you get, it just keeps that daily number up I think.
That’d need someone to clarify it because yea, the BP gives you a number of points for getting that daily up and keeping it there over the time of the BP.
I went to install it but my device didn’t handle it according to the play store.
Yeah Gaijin apparently