Of course, playing fair is toxic. Wanting an even playing field is toxic. Not intentionally wasting everyone’s time by AF camping is toxic.
This is comedy gold. And such comedy gold players are running WT slowly into the grave.
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Your interpretation of ‘fair’ is skewed, and that’s the issue with being so caught up on being upset about being got or outplayed.
You abusing me and making out I do the things you hate because it’s easier to attack me than converse, is an antirely you issue.
Don’t be upset that you get acted on, and then make out that others aren’t privy to the rules to maintain your gripe.
Damn for me I never cared of top tier. I played my ww2 stuff while accidentally researching top tier as waste product in the span of those 10 years of ocasionally playing with friends on weekends.
People that play just to get to top tier burn out easly, like you said theres nothing in top tier. Just empty “victory” and top tier vehicles barely take the level of skill and knowlage like the ww2 stuff. Really to be happy in warthunder is play what ever you wanna play and dont care of “oh I have to play the newest vehicle so I get the most rp to research the next one”.
i find WoT a bit more fun than WT because atleast 1 game knows how to actually make a game and the other is just… there killing their own game
Typical AF camper/ULQ abuser attitude “look, maybe I’ve been maliciously running around the AF for 14 minutes, baiting people into AAA, but I’m a victim because you don’t let me win”
I don’t care if you participate in such behaviour or just enable it. Either way, you hate the very concept of fair play. And while definition of “fair” is not 100% clear and obvious, getting huge advantage by using settings that make the game look like donkey (alternate translation) or by exploiting bad game design and simply wasting everyone’s time our of malice (while solo player can win 80% of games without resorting to such tactics) is so far down the " not fair at all", it’s not even debatable. AF AAA and ULQ issues would both be long fixed but nobody can scream louder than abusers losing their advantage and all of the sudden having to face everyone else on an even playing field.
Funny that I’ve told you so many times that I don’t do what you accuse me of…
It’s literal insanity with you.
Your ‘fair’ isn’t going to be the same as others fair because you get all cut up at being outplayed, and regardless of the method or the ‘reason’ you’ll just make one, as shown with your struggle that you so paint me out to be the villain.
As I said, you are the hysterical one, not I… And you’re just trying to quell the opposition to what you put out as fact, which isn’t. It’s all just opinion and speculation, because you truely dond’t know, going by the fact that you can’t show that I camp airfields, or use ULQ.
If it isn’t actually broken, it’s not going to need fixing. Get better, prepare more.
And I’ve just told you - I don’t care if you’re doing this or enabling it. Either way, you hate fair play. Too bad a lot of players think just like you:
“Hey, that AF AAA is to protect me from these big bad decent players, it’s only fair this way”. They don’t even think about implications, that they essentialy consider skill “unfair”, they see themselves as victims, and not succesful participants. They also don’t see themselves ever getting hurt by it, because they simply refuse to learn. What a great group to cater to! Surely nothing bad will happen to the game, if we keep making the “Game is only fair if I win” group happy.
I’m not getting “outplayed” by AF AAA. I just lose my time all because somebody decided to be a malicious troll. See? You even don’t grasp the concept of “outplaying”, as “playing the game fair” is an alien idea to you. To you the hltimate prop master is that guy running nascar around the AF. He’s outplaying everyone, guys! So, what stops you from outplaying other people, if you really consider such behaviour “outplaying”? You do realise the game is plable ONLY because most people are actually playing the game, and not abusing the game by 0 skill tactics (which to you are the pinnacle of WT gameplay).
You are being outplayed, and you are bitter and mad that they got you…
Don’t be so assumptive to make an argument.
Whilst they are your ‘enemy’ it’s just a game. Many seem to forget this.
Again - if that’s “outplaying”, then it’s clear camping AF and ULQ abuse is the pinnacle of WT gaming for you. Once again - players like you will slowly drive WT into the ground, as what you consider “playing” is oftentimes considered griefing, and as far from fair or fun, as can be. It’s basically anti-skill, as you seem to value cowardice and malice over teamplay, positioninf, situational awareness, good aim etc. But hey, at least malicious trolls are having fun, that’s important for you and for Gaijin!
It’s all interpretational, and unlike you, I take things in the game as being part of the game, and deal with it…
You want to have things changed because you dislike those things, but you refuse to think to counter them, or how to deal with them.
And that, is a you issue.
It’s only ‘anti-skill’ because you got played and you couldn’t gather the skill to counter it.
I don’t think I’ve ever won a game by airfield camping. I HAVE made the other side work for their victory when I was the last player standing on my team by playing more passively or even avoidant in all modes… IF I was ahead on points and I could still see a way to win for my team that way. If that meant circling the airfield in an Air RB game (a mode I don’t play, to be clear), and waiting to see what they do about it, I’d have to say that was equally okay.
They say be the change you want to see. If I want all the players on my team to play to their last vehicle and their last chance to win so I get that little extra SL and RP, I feel I have to do the same for then if I’m ever the last one left. Respectfully, that’s also a form of fairness and sportsmanship you seem to be completely discounting in your discussion with Flying Doctor here.
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The grass is always greener on the other side, have you seen what goes on in us 11.7 ground and 12.7 air due to the click baits and tiger sharks.
Comedy gold.
No you two just have a fundamental disagreement on player winstates, seems from here anyway. You seem to feel the team win has zero importance, ever, and FlyingDoctor here feels the team win is all that matters and is playing accordingly. I don’t agree with him where he gets personal, but… not many people are going to value their time so cheaply that they’ll circle an airfield just to waste more of it. It follows they must feel some higher obligation that you don’t.
I suspect the best answer lies in the middle, but personally I’d like everyone to keep playing for the win even after I’m dead and out. If someone else ever airfield camped and my team got the W for it, good for them, I’m sure they took a lot of abuse in chat for my benefit. I’ll try to pay it forward someday.
No.
Your dude thinks that maliciously flying round the AF for 15 minutes while losing on tickets is “outplaying” the enemy team. And ULQ settings being advantageous is also a great thing, as it forces people into playing game which looks like dogpoop in Ground RB.
I on the other hand think that you shouldn’t get magical zones where you essentialy can’t be killed, as they are overal detrimental to gameplay and ground attacking in Air RB is so bland and boring, forcing people into this is inhumane and further detracts from the experience. And I think ULQ should give no advantage over higher settings, so people can enjoy the graphics and stay competitive assuming equal skill.
Also, I’m winning a lot more than AFCamping Doctor ever will. Yet I’m the one getting “outplayed”.
I sometimes accidentaly TK my own team’s AF campers, and I hope other players see that as an inspiration.
I hope the GMs notice your admission that it’s anything but accidental.
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More comedy gold from AF camping jock.
And this discussion is surprisingly on topic as time and time again it’s proven GMs are, in view of low WR, low skill AF campers “outplaying” everyone by lengthening the time it takes for them to lose the game, just tools that are supposed to protect malicious trolls and griefers from anyone exhibiting basic human decency.
Are GMs like that? Can’t tell, because that’s bannable offence. But the general trend seems to be - toxic players are on the rise, and people who simply want to enjoy Air RB are leaving, making this mode more and more of a horrible grindfest all to get as quickly as possible to abomination called “endgame” - nobody wants to stay at prop BRs and watch AF camping Doctor racing around the airstrip while he’s losing on tickets.
Urge you to reconsider the analysis of me being personal with this guy as they prove themselves to be.
Just boasted that they TK their teams ‘airfield campers’ and hope that others do the same… Accidentally, of course… But how would they want others to do the same had it not been intentional.
yes, the community will never agree, but still even though players found evidence for bug reports, and had an overwhelmingly amount of evidence to prove it.
Examples the merkavas, chalis, and leclercs.
They still haven’t been changed as of today, even when the community proved there flaws.
Sure warthunder isn’t perfect, but i feel like some change is needed on the changes of certain vehicles that are struggling, you know give them some love
you guys are listening to the community much more than in the past, but that doesn’t mean its perfect yet.