F-100 is supersonic. So naturally is a full BR higher and has guns
My point is if your only reason to move the Sea-Vixen up is that it has a minor speed advantage then what of the swift which has the exact same speed? Nerf it too? Do you just want the Mig-15 to be fastest and most nimble aircraft at that BR so it can win every fight without effort?
All I see is someone moaning that soviets are not OP at every BR and anything that holds a small advantage must be nerfed
Sea vixen can just run away from anything, and if someone tries to follow, the sea vixen can just climb/spiral climb to energy trap anything following then fire a missile at them when they are slow/stalled.
The sea vixen should be no lower than BR 9.0 for sim. Even at 9.0 the Sea Vixen will remain very strong where there will be only 1 tech tree vehicle not on the British tech tree that can catch the Sea Vixen.
And there is nothing a sea-vixen can do to a F-86 that knows it is there. It might be able to run away just about, but it also can’t attack as it would need to get behind the F-86 to attack and even then the F-86 must be totally unaware of it’s existence to land the red top.
If it’s 9.0 then all-aspect red tops are required or the yak-38 needs to be 10.0
Against an F-86K it can run away, outclimb and stall it out, and since the F-86K is flareless it is then a free kill.
All aspects vs flareless subsonics? That’s just plain unbalanced when the Sea Vixen is already one of the strongest aircraft at its BR.
If it’s 9.0 then all-aspect red tops are required
No.
It will out run basically every plane it faces, has search radar with IFF unlike any plane that it would face. The Sea Vixen will play the exact same but the speed advantage will be lessened and more fair tp other jets at that BR.
Based on the stats there is a 60-100kph difference in Sea Vixen and MiG 15 top speed.
Missiles are an issue if you stall out so dont.
You can also use Rockets as flares…appreciate it isn’t ideal. If you are dying to the least played premium jet in game so frequently maybe you need to re-evaluate your play style.
Sea Vixen isnt OP in any game mode its massive its missiles are limited it has 4 of them no guns.
This sounds like a skill issue
And 10G missiles with no guns Vs faster aircraft with equal to better missiles, guns and even a few with flares is fairer? In RB it even faces supersonics. It would be awfully underpowered at 9.0 with very weak missiles. Just turn slightly and the red tops missing
Everything outturns it and the Sea-Vixen cannot dogfight it. It’s only advantage is speed and even then, only barely outruns everything.
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there is a 60-100kph difference in Sea Vixen and MiG 15 top speed.
There is only a 100kmh difference between the Bf 109E-1 and Bf 109 G-14. Where there is a 3.0 BR difference.
The speed difference of 100kph is huge.
The 60kph difference From Sea Vixen to 15Bis is also still huge, especially as the sea Vixen has a higher top speed and also much better acceleration.
The sea vixen can stay above the MiG 15 Bis’ top speed very easily in turns and climbs. The speed and acceleration difference makes the Sea Vixen untouchable.
It does not barely out run anything, it leaves every other plane in the dust.
Please name 3 tech tree planes that are are at 9.0 BR or lower in Sim that can catch the Sea Vixen that are not in the British tech tree.
The mig-15BIS is a 100kph faster than the Javelin but the same BR, therefore Mig-15BIS to 9.0/9.3 because it can just run away
Please name 3 tech tree planes at 10.0 or lower that have 4x easily defeat rear-aspect IR missiles and no gun
Javelin stat card is very incorrect, the Javelin outruns the Mig-15.
The Javelin is still pretty good at 8.7, especially with its search radar and 4 missiles.
It’s been nerfed and the AB doesn’t do much above sea-level and lower airspeeds. Everything is faster than the javelin these days. If you are fixating ONLY on the speed difference, then the Javelin should be about 8.0.
Sea-vixen has no guns. It has no ability to dogfight. It has 1 singular advantage, it is minimally faster. And it is a tiny difference. If people are stupid enough to stall out climbing after it, then that is a skill issue. Though the Sea-Vixen won’t ever get a shot opportunity against a target that was stupid enough to try and climb after it
So unlike what you claimed, the Sea Vixen can dogfight, and this is a plane that wasn’t catching up to it anyway.
And you’re gonna see a Red Top coming… how? I have accumulated many kills in the F-104J by rolling up on someone’s low 6 and shooting a missile (or getting CLOSER and using guns) they couldn’t have possibly seen coming, and the Sea Vixen can easily do this endlessly with how undertiered it is. I even switched to the AIM-9E completely as I find it more reliable, and despite being a 10G missile it has easily found its target many times.
And what is the Sea-Vixen meant to do in a dogfight? Red tops are useless in a close range fight and it has no guns.
As for sneaking up behind things. Of course it will get kills like that. It’s the ONLY way it can. If we balance vehicles by that alone then many things should be much higher. Can you dodge gun fire from someone you’ve not seen coming and gotten the drop on you?
So Mig-15 to 9.0 because it’s faster than the Javelin and can sneak up behind it and put a burst of canon into it.
Sea vixen has a singular advantage, it is slightly faster. That is it. Red Tops are not OP, they are woefully underpowered. The lack of guns mean you have no dogfight potential and the sea vixen bleeds speed very fast and is huge. Easily spot from distance.
You are proposing deleting it from the game with the BR you suggest. As if you consider it equal to aircraft like the Yak-38, Hunter F1, etc…if speed is the ONLY metric of importance, then why is the Mig-21 not 10.3?
Heck G-91 is faster, has guns, has 4x AAMs include 4 that can be used in all-aspect and outturns the Sea-Vixen with ease. These aircraft should never see each other yet you propose they to be the same BR.
Had a look. Nearly everything at 9.0 is equal or faster with both better turn performance and loadout. There is little a sea-vixen could do Vs any except try and sneak up behind them, but many have RWR and would detect it’s radar eliminating that advantage.
Sea-vixen is fine, its weaknesses hold it back greatly and no other aircraft at that BR is gunless which is a nerf that you are totally ignoring. Red Tops are not OP, strong-ish at that BR but easily defeated and unusable in a dogfight unless the target was stupid enough to energy trap themselves which is pretty much the only target you can use them on.
Yes speed difference we have speed an acceleration defiencies. Even at top tier
100kph in a jet when you are both transonic isnt that much of an advantage.
The obvious answer is to fly higher have an energy advantage before you engage. Bait bad missile shots and then when the Vixen runs away let it go and continue what you were doing or follow it to the base and kill it.
Unfortunately the BR system is flawed and you will have to work harder to get some kills. I remember facing MiG 15s in a Vampire!
Using the top speed number isn’t a great idea. In theory, yeah the Sea Vixen isn’t that much faster. In practice, it is SIGNIFICANTLY faster. At 8.3, its competition mostly maxes out around 560 knots. Which makes it a full 70 knots faster, which is a lot. Even if we start looking at MiG-15bis and F-86, those are mach-limited by wave drag to 0.87 and 0.91 respectively (iirc). Even the F-86K shares this 0.91 mach limit. The Sea Vixen does 0.92 at sea level, but compared to the others, it is IAS-limited rather than mach-limited. This means that it outruns its opponents easily at sea level, and outruns them even better as altitude increases. Combine that with better acceleration and FAR better climb rate, and nothing can touch it. As the icing on the cake, in a dive, the Sabre and MiG are still fairly hard-limited on speed. The Sea Vixen will fairly readily break the sound barrier, even with a full missile load. The next-lowest vehicle with that capability is the Super Mystere at 9.0. Which is where the Sea Vixen belongs.
