I’m kinda convinced. Almost every tech tree has a light tank around 10.0 and almost all of them has CITV and pen over 400 even 500 like Striker. Although I’m fine with the current state of Vextra, give it F2 won’t break the game.
The problem is that AMX40 is also at 9.7 with that crap round, and the armor is nonexistent.
It would not be. The Vextra has far superior mobility compared to the M1128. It has a 50% increase in weight with 2x the engine horse power.
Vextra with F2 is an absolute no go for 9.7
I would also like to see the OLF120F2 on the Leclercs ^^
F2 uses DU material and doesnt have better penetration values.
Best options are either SHARD (which is too powerful for now) or DM53.
what would be the estimated pen on shard, 750mm?
I believe it was ±780MM
impressive stuff
especially considering the shard we have is a weaker variant
“The new ammunition we announced, what I would call the SHARD Mk1, is just the first step, and it is the lower performance we can obtain with this kind of concept”
So stryker that’s as agile as need be (hence “ways that matter”) whilst also having a round notably better than F2 if it were added, notably more survivable silhouette at range, and has the utility of 12.7mm MG would end up worse than the Vextra if Vextra received f2?
Vextra would be comparable, but still worse in a survivability sense, whilst still having a worse round. Alongside lacking the utility of a 12.7mm MG.
So ~30mm less pen suddenly makes F2 a “notably worse round” compared to M900, but an extra 6-7 HP/ton and an extra 7 km/h reverse speed suddenly doesn’t matter?
Talk about double standards to push your point/agenda. Lets be honest, you just want your light tank to club.
Just because you dislike what I have to say, and do not want to acknowledge well reasoned positions because it highlights more than just agility, does not mean you have to accuse others of double standards. At 9.7, it would be fine with F2, assuming no other issues are fixed.
But if we want it to go up from there because it got a worse round whilst having worse survivability but decent agility than something at 10.0, I am happy to discuss sending the stryker up to 10.3-10.7 in order to maintain reasonable standards as you seem so intent on.
Yes, and ?
Do you know many people who want an iconic tank they’ve been looking forward to to be artificially diminished? And all for some arbitrary reason and rule ?
Who wouldn’t want it to perform well, and if not, at least to reach its full potential ?
A lot of us don’t exactly want it to club. Just to be treated with the same standards major nations get, as opposed to what is currently happening.
I know, I know, me neither.
It frustrates me that the word “club” just means that we don’t want to be challenged a bit by another nation.
people always want the best for the other, as long as it’s not better than what they’ve got.
There was no well reasoned position. M900 and F2 will be identical in what they can and can’t penetrate.
So in the end the M1128 will be more survivable and the Vextra will be far more mobile and agile. So they are pretty much equal, and so should be at the same BR.
You say that, yet you want the Vextra with F2 to be at the same BR as the ZLT11 and Centauro romor, which would both be far far worse.
It should get F2, I never disagreed. It’s just that it should get a BR increase to 10.0-10.3 when it gets F2.
I’m not going to delve in beating a dead horse, but the Leclerc is arguably much better than the challenger 2 IRL, and has far more primary sourced reports than the challenger 2 sitting in limbo. Having the premium ruining it’s stats would make the devs more inclined to fixing those primary sourced reports than they are with France currently having one of the best WR at top tier (thanks to the player base skill and the CAS options more than the MBT themselves)
You would think with the OES being awful Gaijin would want to bring up the problems with Challengers but we don’t live in a utopia. Just waiting for the OES to be removed from sale, its the worse selling 11.0+ premium easily.
The Vextra is far, far superior platform to the ZTL-11. That’s the same BR.
Its literal only advantage is that it has a better shell.
I’m fine with it getting DM33 if the ZTL-11 goes to 9.3.
Who cares about those vehicles though? Give the Vextra the OFL 105 F2 round and move it up in BR. Place it in the appropriate BR range. I don’t really see why it needs to be “balanced” with vehicles of the same types. Let it be better in every way to some of the vehicles you guys compared it to.
Dutch and Belgian ground forces may be coming in the next few updates, like how we got Hungarian air forces after Hungarian ground forces, even though the Hungarian air tree was 100% copy/paste