Get out.
We want to see Vextra105 at 10.3 with F2, not at 9.7 with crippled firepower.
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There is no way in hell it should sit at only 0.3 higher BR than the M1128 and 2S25M with a ~490 mm pen shell, while being vastly better and more suited for War Thunder purposes. Keep dreaming.
You dont even know what you’re talking about.
-M1128 does have crewless turret,M900 and commander thermals with same gun handling
-2S25M does also have commander thermals better mobility for CQC and reverse speed and 3BM60.
Then again you’re the same guy who coped so hard when Chally DS recieved L26 and bumped to 10.3.
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I don’t remember commenting about the Challenger, but whatever, that isn’t even the point of this thread or my previous comments…
If you ever even played the M1128, you would realise that its huge profile and garbage depression mean that the “crewless” turret isn’t even a huge advantage for most maps, and commander optics are useless, there isn’t even a point bringing that up. The mobility advantage and tighter turn radius of the Vextra is infinitely more meta and more useful.
2S25M is definitely more maneuverable in close combat, but again has trash tier vertical elevation speed which will get you killed in a lot of situations. The only thing this trash has going for it is the high pen round and decent mobility, which is still worse than tanks with a similar HP/tonne ratio because of the poor gear ratios, and again, much worse overall mobility than the Vextra since it isn’t wheeled.
And here you are telling me I don’t know what I’m talking about when you’re not even listing anything important in the gameplay, how about playing the vehicles first?
Vextra also has pretty big profile and garbage depression so your excuses doesnt justify anything.
Have you ever heard pre aiming? Russian players are always use to this.
It has better reverse speed, neutral steering and similiar mobility, Vextra’s true mobility only shines on big maps.
Ah Yes those factors are not important for overall gameplay right?
Seriously man stop embrassing yourself already…
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Your understanding of this game is so low that it’s laughable. The 2S25M is a tracked light tank with a second-generation thermal imaging commander’s periscope, which means it has the ability to turn in place, hydropneumatic suspension, and a forward-leaning turret ring, meaning its depression angle is greater than -7 degrees. It also has a power-to-weight ratio of 28 and an automatic loader, and a shell with a penetration depth of 580mm. Meanwhile, the Vextra does not have a thermal imaging commander’s periscope, and only has a power-to-weight ratio of 25, a rear turret, a -6 degree depression angle, and even with a shell with a penetration depth of 489mm, it can’t be considered OP at 10.0. Finally, you haven’t played the current Vextra 105, and it’s ridiculous that you’re here pointing fingers and claiming that the Vextra is ‘absolutely fine’ even in its current state.
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High mobility relevant only on big maps (Sands of Sinai, Red Desert, Fields of Polish and etc). For wheeled vehicles, firepower is main characteristics. Vextra doesn’t have it
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No need to talk with this guy more, i am sure he is a typical Chinese cheater.
Check here:Gaijin Entertainment - Single Sign On
You can see a lot of strange move of his crosshair .
I am checking his replay, in order to block him account.
If you would like to join, let me know.
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https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/218996907795053269
this 1:19, he locked a ru251 which he has never saw.
and 1:34, crosshair locked on BMP1s gun Stable while he is moving at 30km/h
update
https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/218967757851963055
At 2 minutes and 34 seconds, his crosshair suddenly jumped from the STRV103 to the Turm III. This happened in the instant he switched from the scope view to the gun sight view, which is clearly impossible.
Between 2 minutes and 40 seconds to 50 seconds, he turned around to check on a Raketenaotomat he shouldn’t have been able to see. His crosshair accurately pointed at the Raketenaotomat. At 2 minutes and 58 seconds, he precisely hit the BMP1’s turret through smoke.
At 3 minutes and 44 seconds, his crosshair accurately pointed at a Raketenaotomat he shouldn’t have been able to see. He realized this and immediately moved away.
https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/218972258977697436
02:10After completing a series of kills, his crosshair jumped to an M109G that he couldn’t see.
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Immagine polluting a thread by complaining so hard when you actually cheat. Your skill issues are so massive even a cheat couldn’t compensate for them.
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XM800T is stabilized on live server.
Perhaps I’m mistaken, but you should take a look at his recording. His crosshair seems more like it’s locked onto the BMP1’s gun barrel.
Having the vextra at 10.0 with the f2 doesnt make it any less “unique”. There is simply no reason for it to remain the same br as a romor.
The vextra 105 with F2 is absolutely fine at 10.3.
It’s crewless turret is actually a really nice thing.
Also, I would say I have some experience in the M1128:
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I’ve been using it with the AMX-40, Roland 1, AMX-30 DCA, AMX-30, AMX-30 (105), SANTAL, and Mephisto - it’s been quite fun (minus typical War Thunder issues). It’s a very capable vehicle at 9.7, and while a new round would be interesting to play around with, I don’t think it needs it before a suitable 9.7 replacement is added. Smin made some good points on this topic.
From my own experience, the round performs fine if you’re using the vehicle as intended. I suppose this does depend on the map you’re playing having functional cover and flank routes. Regardless, I haven’t had any issues elephant hunting with F1. Perhaps my opinion can be changed though.
Just posting my little comment to add activity to this thread in hope of a faster change for the Vextra.
I did vote for the addition of the F2 round but making it 10.0 max (if nothing else change)
Currently, every other nation either has a light wheeled tank with a better round (M900), better technological suite (type 16); faster or more nimble (2S25 with a better round too).
Even if gaijin think that its good to keep a 9.7 line up, nobody wants (at least most of us) that. Because I believe that not a lof of people play 9.7 tank to play 9.7
Before getting our beloved CAS planes up in br (SEM), i believe that most of us were already uptiering our tank in 10.0 to use the CAS we had (Tigre HAP for people spending a bit more, and the SEM).
Adding the Vextra with F2 shell and putting it 10.0/.3 would not have changed a lot in the end but at least it would have paved the way for further addition in the 10.0-10.7 bracket, where we could use our CAS again. With the F2, it would also make the Vextra somehow relevant with the Leclerc line up we have.
For those interested too, my line up consist, in 9.7 of:
-AMX40 (9.7)
-Vextra (9.7)
-Milan, a premium plane without flares nor guided ammunition (9.7)
-Amx 30 Super (9.3; premium)
-VBCI (9.7; premium)
-Santal (9.3)
-AMX30DCA (8.7; used mostly as an IFV)
-Etendard IV (9.0)
-SA342M gazelle (9.3 Heli with up to ONLY 4 HOT2 / Mistral)
In the end, you only have few good TT option, being the AMX40 and Vextra, while both AMX32 suffer from poor mobility and one of them suffer with a 105. The roland if you want to take it, is not even that useful due to its elevation bug (only worth getting to kill heli). The VBCI, is not even 9.7 worth due to his high profile and poor damage output (MK258 30mm might be the worst autocanon i ever touched in high br) but the unmaned turret compensate a bit. The CAS plane you can use in your br are few in option, if you want planes with CCIP you need to get planes without flares and with poor missiles or uptier to 10.0-10.3.
As a solution (which was already said before):
- Add the OFL F2 for the Vextra and bring it to 10.0 and rank 7 (10.3 if you really hate us, but you better be fixing that armor and gear ration)
- Correct the AMX40 OFL 120 G1 penetration value and bring it to 10.0 and rank 7
- Add the AMX10RC TML 105 at 9.0-9.3 to take the place of the Vextra
----> Use this “new” line up of 10.0/10.3 vehicules (Corrected AMX40 & Vextra; Jaguar/SEM; Tigre HAP; Roland 1) for the introduction of the future Benelux tanks if that comes to be true, hence making you, gajin; able to put a 10.0-10.3 premium tank for the French TT (could be a Leo, who cares) with a working line up.
You may even be able to add things such as the Vextra POLE (120mm in a turret derivated from the Leclerc) in 11.0, things like the VBCI Philoctetes at 10.3/.7; the EBRC Jaguar at 11.0, one of the Leclerc Prototype as a 11.0 premium. (These are only the exemple that came first to my mind, but I know that there are a lot of other option)
With all of that, you may achieve what France actually lack in top tier, a fully fleshed out addition of light vehicule to complement any other tank that might come between the 9.7-11.7 bracket; also paving the way for the addition of some top tier premium and so it being profitable to you (a 10.0/.3 one and a 11.0 one). (Leclerc EAU could also be added as a squadron vehicule like the M1A1 AIM)
Warning to my fellow French main or French TT enthousiast: I know talking about the addition of premium for the french top tier is kinda delicate as most of us doesnt want that kind of thing. But we need to face reality, we are not being put in a France Only VS X + Y + … nation during battle, so weither you have or not top tier premium tank in our nation wont change much. Sure it will add to the spam of low level players in top tier but a positive way of viewing this is that it may bring more money to gaijin while showing that a lot of people (maybe) have interest in the French TT. Hence inciting gaijin to put more effort into it.
I don’t have any numbers with me, but seing how good the SOMUA SM was and still is, i believe that it might be the best seller for our nation. But people are still stuck when they reach Rank 6 and its where things can get difficult (non stab tank in bracket were most enemy are; but you know it i suppose; and all the other shitty thing we have to go trough); making people loose interest in reaching our Top Tier.
In the end, most of what i said is personal beliefs that I draw conclusion from the multiple post and messages I see across this Forum. Do not hesitate to discuss on that and propose other thing, we have to show we are active and won’t let that pass without being impolite, disrespectful or trolling.
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Would the devs be willing to move-up a few French vehicles to bolster the 9.7 tech tree line-up in the meantime? The current 9.3 options are a bit lackluster against the armor of 10.0/10.3 opponents like the various versions of Leopard 2A4s. It would be nice if maybe the MEPHISTO could get the HOT-3 at 9.3 for players to use while devs evaluate the Vextra’s performance.
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I agree in every points you brought up.
I even want to add one thing :
French mains at top tier should WANT a premium Leclerc, simply because having a Leclerc with terrible stats would make the devs actually buffing it, resulting in a global buff to all leclercs since they share so much!
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It would be fine with F2 at 9.7, it’s still a worse round, worse profile, and comparable agility in ways that matter to10.0s with rounds that significantly outclass it.
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That’s what we said about Chally. There’s a premium, so surely they’ll buff it.
If anything, it has only gotten worse.
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