It would be a significantly better tank than the Centauro 105 R / VRCC with the new round (even though it’s better than them already)
As it should be.
Vextra 105 was designed to be top dog so its only makes sense to give F2 shell and move to 10.3Br.
4 Likes
I was mostly talking about the last thing they said, the VRCC and Vextra are very similar vehicles and giving the Vextra a much better round would warrant a BR increase, as the VRCC only gets DM33.
The thing that annoys me the most about the Vextra (besides the shell) at the moment is this:
The fuel tanks are completely separated from the crew, why the hell are they not considered externals?
The amount of death I’ve had from fuel explosions in this thing is insane.
The VBCI-2 has a similar arrangement and it’s considered external:
And then we have the 2S38 with no separation from the crew and yet it’s still considered external (wut?)
These inconsistencies makes no sense to me.
Anyway, I agree with everyone else in this thread: The Vextra should get its correct shell and put at 10.3, and the existent 9.7 lineup should be brough to 10.0-10.3 with the following changes:
- AMX-40: Increase its pen (didn’t someone find a 120mm round that was better than the G1 but worse than the F1? That would be perfect) and maybe improve the reload, increase BR to 10.3
- AMX-32: Increase its pen and maybe improve the reload, increase BR to 10.0 (leave AMX-32 105 as it is)
- VBCI: Give it its HE-VT shells, increase to 10.0 or 10.3
- Roland: Fix elevation, put it at 10.3 like other Roland systems
This would create a 10.0-10.3 that would look something like this:
AMX-40, AMX-32, Vextra 105, VBCI-2, Roland, Tigre HAP, Super Etendard, Mirage III
All this without having to add a single vehicle. This would be a massive QOL change for France players without requiring significant amount of work on the dev’s part.
13 Likes
AMX-40: Increase its pen (didn’t someone find a 120mm round that was better than the G1 but worse than the F1? That would be perfect) and maybe improve the reload, increase BR to 10.3
I’ve also heard that the composites are underperfoming on it, if that gets fixed it could be a good 10.3
AMX-32: Increase its pen and maybe improve the reload, increase BR to 10.0
The problem with the 32 is that it’s SLOOOOW and feels like complete shit to play. I don’t know if 10.0 is good even if it got a better round
Roland: Fix elevation, put it at 10.3 like other Roland systems
I’d rather get a Mistral 3 carrier over the garbage that is the Roland
Vextra is superior to VRCC in almost every category, putting Vextra 105 at 9.7 with F1 was nothing but a mistake, thats why it should recieve F2 and should get br increase.
3 Likes
That’s a pretty wild claim to make when its something I can easily check;
Leclerc; 37~ reports open.
Challenger 2; 97~ reports open.
Remind me which primary source materials you have for Leclerc other than the brochure? Because CR2 reports are majority backed by photos and documents from the National Archives.
8 Likes
It is a known factor that the French Government has a stricter policy regarding Classified information, which includes photographs and documents in the National Archives.
Considering that we are talking about confidential information here, a brochure from the official manufacturer is as good as photos and documentation.
Perhaps the reason you felt offended is because he claimed that Leclerc is better then Challenger 2 in real life?
4 Likes
Oh I’m not disputing any claims of what’s better or not and I’m not offended at all. But to claim there are more reports and that there is more primary documentation for the Leclerc is nonsense.
2 Likes
Fair enough, cant argue about that.
Except Gaijin is killing more and more the map, removing each time the flank possibility, and they still want us to flank, on map where frontal engagment is clearly the main things to happen?
-“We don’t give you better ammo, you have to flank. Oh, and we removed the flanks. Have fun”
15 Likes
yes that’s why I said this will probably be a Leo
This might be a reference to the AMX-40 E4, a proposal for an upgraded AMX-40 for Egypt that never went beyond blueprints as far as I know
Yeah, I don’t like the AMX-32 either but we need something to back the AMX-40.
I hear you, but the point of my proposal is to create a lineup without having to add new vehicles (at least not immediately).
And hell, if gaijin could FIX the current Mistrals it would already be a significant improvement.
It would give the French more pen but 640mm@2km is more penetration than the 120 F1
F2 doesnt have increased penetration values.
They already calculated with ingame formula and turns out F2 will even have less pen values then F1.
Vextra still pretty abysmal.
In the current state it’s in, the VEXTRA is just not fun to play (at least for me).
Why bother with VEXTRA when the stryker does it better for 0.3 BR higher, and it comes with a low profile turret. Or go with Type 16 with a bit of actual armor against autocannons and better ammo, at the same BR. Even the rooikat MTTD was more fun, despite the grainy thermals and disappointing lineup. Sure, HP/t ratios on the VEXTRA are a little better; but at the end of the day you end up in the same places at the same speed as all the other tanks. But without any of the other advantages.
The only thing EXTRAordinary about the VEXTRA right now is how disappointing it is to play.
4 Likes
It’s funny to me how these potent APFSDS rounds on wheeled vehicles are suddenly a balance issue when France gets one. Why should I use the Vextra when I can use the Type 16 at the same battle rating? Where I play in ground AB, the Rooikat is 9.0, the M1128 is 9.3, and the CV90105 and CT-CV 105HP are 9.7, the exact same battle rating as the Vextra. Why should I play France’s Vextra instead of them? It’s just ridiculous, the Vextra as it is now is EXTRAordinarily sad to play.
14 Likes
It is very disappointing to see things such as armour and thermals still not being fixed despite primary sources being provided and the reports being made during the dev server. The real cherry on the cake is how the devs took the historically accurate gear ratios and managed to completely destroy the Vextra’s mobility even though it should have been a major improvement.
A historically accurate Vextra belongs at 10.3. Considering when it was first shown being at 8.7, it really shows how badly the devs messed everything up. It’s probably the most problematically modelled vehicle ever considering the disparity in BRs from when it was first introduced to where it actually belongs.
It’s also funny to see how the devs won’t nerf the initial velocity of OFL 105 F1 on the Vextra (which has already been internally reported). It should only be 1500m/s when fired from the CN 105 G2. See! Even the devs know how shit the round is for its BR and so they don’t want to nerf it further lol.
Really, the whole thing just further proves how atrociously the devs handle French ground. It should really be a wake-up call that they need to get their shit together, but unfortunately I doubt the devs will pull their heads out of their ass anytime soon.
18 Likes