Actually no.
For example Type-16 has:
-Similiar mobility
-Much better armor that actually can tank some high caliber ifv rounds
-Commander thermals with excellent zoom
-LWS system and DM33.
Although i do think Vextra105 should be 10.3 if it receives F2 but the gap is much smaller then you claimed.
Arguably the Type 16 should be 10.0, but yeah, if we consider the Type 16 have an appropriate BR for it’s capacity, the VEXTRA at 9.7 is fair enough.
Also the mobility advantages really only becomes an advantage when you have the capability to leverage it, wich is not happening on a 1*1km map, or if it obscenely above everything else like the VT1-2 or radkamper…
btw the zlt has DTW2-105 which has 491 mm of pen at 9.7
also it is the highest pen round at the br so your saying that the vextra and the zlt are similar is irrelevant
also what we want is a unique round for the vextra not a round that is the same as DM 33
France now has a proper light tank for once after 4 years i would expect to have its proper round and specs
The current penetration difference between DM33 and F1 isn’t that massive. The Vextra currently is better than the Centauro romor, around a similar level as the VRCC or even slightly better, far far better than the ZLT11 and the only advantage that the M1128 has is it’s pen, the Vextra is better in pretty much every other way.
The Type 16 could easily move to 10.0 as is and the Vextra with F2 is 10.3 easily.
the chinese light tank is abhorrent in all other regards that aren’t it’s shell.
still the Vextra should go to 10.3 with OFL F2, because it’s historical and it going there would benefit France as a whole (stepping stones for an amazing 10.3 lineup)
it has 5hp/ton more… it is much better, also better reverse, which 8km/h for a light tanks is horrible.
the romor doesnt have gen 2, and you will keep having better mobility than those even the type 16, and bettwer round than all of them except the zlt.
it isnt it is much better. (stock values)
vextra : h:23.8º/s v:17º/s ; rad: h:14.3º/s, v:3.4º/s; romor: h:14º/s, v 4,5º/s; ztl h:15.5º/s, v:3.4º/s type 16: h: 18º/s v4.5º/s.
do you realize that the penetrations proposed for the f2 nearly has the same performance as the dtw on the zlt? in the case that the vextra get it is would make it just better than the zlt, it arguably is already even with the f1.
Why are you guys insisting in the ZLT11 comparison like it’s power creeping the Vextra? The ZLT11 has better firepower and that’s it, the Vextra has the edge on everything else. Even the layout of the components is more refined.
In the end, the French mains should have the final word on the balancing of the vehicle that they play, so I support them if they want a better shell, but let’s not be dishonest and say the ZLT11 is better as it is right now.
Was about to say, leave the ZLT out of those comparisons, even with a much better dart it’s still hot garbage to play in most situations. Not until they fix the mobility on it.
yes make it unique for france
we already get shat on with the leclerc at least give us a proper light tank that has a good shell
Take the Vextra to 11.7? You must be crazy. Even if the Vextra stays at 9.7, it can’t compete with the M1 and Leopard 2A4. I’ve carefully aimed at the M1 more than once, fired at its weak points, and then got killed by the M1. If you think this should happen, how do you explain the 3BM60 of the 2S25SDM1 and the M900 of the M1128? Providing the Vextra with F2 shells and moving it to 10.0 should be a no-brainer.
he means if you wanted a lineup you would have to bring it with the Leclercs or uptier the 9.7s
Well good luck with F1 shell, meanwhile M1128 and Sprut-M can easily deal with 11.7 thanks to M900 and 3BM60.
its not going to 11.7?
Neither M1128 or Sprut-M but both vehicles does have really good rounds, unlike Vextra105.
Sprut, and Stryker, are 10.0. Both have toptier rounds (I’ll need to double check stryker but sprut 100% does). Even with F2, Vextra would not have a better gun. The rooikat premium for Britain is at 9.3. It has a better round than the 9.7 vextra, with comparable mobility.
Vextra doesn’t make sense without F2.
If you insist on keeping the Vextra 105 at 9.7, then at least provide it with DM33 ammunition as a modification, the main gun of the Vextra uses standard NATO ammunition. I simply can’t understand why the Vextra has to use ammunition with a penetration power of 360mm at 9.7, it can just take my hands off the keyboard when facing the Leopard 2A4 and M1. It not only can’t penetrate the turrets of these two at zero distance, but it can’t even reliably penetrate their weak points, that is, the lower front. Even if I have better skills, discover the enemy first, fire first, but get killed by the enemy, this makes me completely not want to play the Vextra.
Its a quite fun vehicle at 9.7 even as stock (tho i bought sabot and thermals with ge), problem is its only fun when you use against 8.7-9.7 with F1 Shell.
It will start to struggle with F1 shell at uptier.
i dont understand your guy’s points i agree it should get the better round
Vextra has an overwhelming mobility and survivability advantage over the M1128 and 2S25M, also having a gigantic gun handling advantage over the 2S25M and a maneuverability advantage over the M1128.
It’s absolutely fine at 9.7 with the current shell it has, especially when compared to the Radpanzer 90 and the piece of trash that is the ZLT11.
