yeah but overall the vextra is better than all of them in mobility(which can still be improved), thermals, sights, and weight of ofl f2 would be 4.4 kg which is in my opinion a pretty important in gameplay and the reload could still be up for change by the devs depending on what br they put it at.
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However that is true to a degree, thermals alone doesn’t warrant a raise in BR, mobility wise vehicles i mentioned like the Radkampfwagen and type 16 espeicially has mobility that is similar if not better than the vextra as its currently modeled.
However this part may be a bit based on personal opinion rather than facts, but i really dont feel like fighting T-80Us with a round that can’t pen at least 400mm of armor.
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Hey, Smin. Maybe this has been suggested before, but at any rate this seems like a good occasion to bring it up again. Could you please consider adding a “relative” BR system for different ammunition choices?
This would be a win-win for both the players who desire to stay at 9.7 BR, and those who want a more competetive vehicle at higher tiers.
Here’s what it could look like:
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no one really plays the VBCI because it doesnt have anything special for the br its at
the community only want a viable 10.0 tank since france is the only nation that never got a proper 10.0 light tank or mbt
The vextra at 10.0 with F2 would be perfect for the 11.7 leclerc lineup we dont need more 9.0 light tanks we want proper 10.0 or 11.0 light tanks that can fit the lineup
france is a good nation and has a good winrate (at top tier dont know about the other br s) but the tanks are garbage regardless of all that
leclerc still has no armor after all the bug report made for that still missing its F2 shell and an HE shell and lack of spall liner
and then the icing on the cake with the botched Vextra 105
pls consider what the community actually needs instead of implementing an unfinished vehicle that will make the community frustrated regardless of all the bug reports and suggestion that would make the tank better and on par with other tanks that are similar
thank you
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Keep in mind, Rooikat at 9.3 (premium) with a better round than current Vextra has thermals (worse, but still entirely usable), comparable mobility, the same reload, and a smaller silhouette.
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That is true, i dont have the 9.3 rooikat so i cant compare them sadly, but giving the vextra a better round would go a long way, andi pray that it stays at 9.7 but giving it a dart that has 400mm+ of pen would make it viable to even bring with the leclercs as i personally do believe 400mm of pen is enough for most situations in game but that is highly up for debate.
TLDR: vextra at 9.7 with the OFL 105 F2 would make it fair a lot better especially in uptiers and would make it a viable choice to take to 11.7 if you choose to for whatever reason
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Aye, I’m comparing it against what I have for the most part, just providing context.
I don’t have Italy though, that’s an even less fun grind than France.
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the centauro 105 R and VRCC is a bit slower than the vextra iirc but has gen 1 thermals or gen 2, i dont recall since i only played them as a rental, the type 16 and radkampfwagen are both on par in mobility with a better round with the exception that the Radkampfwagen dont have thermals but the type 16 has gen 2, and the ZLT-11 being the worst in mobility have the best thermals and round for all 9.7 wheeled recon vehicles
Edit: VRCC and centauro 105R has gen 2 thermals and DM33, with slightly worst mobility,
TLDR: all 9.7 wheeled recon vehicle outclasses the vextra currently with firepower alone as everything else is very close in comparison
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VRCC is slower, and the thermals on VRCC are gen 2 I believe. It does have worse mobility, but a significantly better than round than Vextra at the moment and presents a smaller target. Can’t comment on radwagon, 16, or ZLT.
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Radkampfwagen has DM33 and no thermals
Type 16 (tt) has type 93 with gen 2 thermals
ZLT-11 has the DTW-2-105 which has 491mm of pen mind you and correction: its mobility is similar to the radkampfwagen and has gen 3 thermals
i really dont know what gaijin was thinking with this one since every other 9.7 wheeled recon tank has a better round, good mobility and most has gen 2 thermals but the vextra for whatever reason has to go up in BR if it gets a better round, i dont get it :/
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I see you’re now discovering the France tax.
In a similar way that the British are not allowed their tanks to move faster than a vegetative snail or armour, France is not allowed remotely competent cannons. Or armour.
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the round isnt the only thing that can get better
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yeah been noticing it for a while now, i dont wanna say its blatant bias as much as i want to as it would be unprofessional on the forums but it really feels that way.
my verdict is that giving it the OFL 105 F2 and staying at 9.7 would be perfect
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i noticed, bossman’s bug report mentioned the transmission being incorrect and the thermals not being gen 3, but at the moment i believe giving it a firepower buff would be phonominal
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And the reason why this is such a big deal is if you look in protection analysis, although it may not be the most accurate it gives us a good idea of things, the vextra with 350mm of pen compared to something like DM33 with 408mm of pen, although its not that big of a difference in numbers, the performance is very much noticable when fighting 10.0 russian tanks at 700m+, (im using russia as thats the most notirious 10.0 lineup you’ll likely face)[img]
Edit: The difference in penetration becomes even more apparent at 1000m
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Only gets better against T80UD.
(This is sarcasm, it gets much less fun)
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the T-80UD and the T-72B 1989 changes the story a lot, DM33 cant go through that either even in closer range, but i think with the ZLT-11 you can pen the T-80UD and 1989 in the lower part of the UFP, you might have the fact check this but the point still stankds.
Id rather fight T-80Us/contact-5 with 400mm+ of pen than with 350mm of pen
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Don’t know if you can reliably get the breech with less. But I also haven’t fought them with less in a long while.
Regardless, proper round for vextra would make it a lot more manageable.
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yes, and just tested this but with a higher penning 105mm dart like the one found on the ZLT-11, you can pen the UD’s UFP through either the known weakspots (no shit) or a bit below the drivers port
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Mainly what I was trying to point to, but I am very tired. It is 0430.
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