Radkampfwagen has DM33 and no thermals
Type 16 (tt) has type 93 with gen 2 thermals
ZLT-11 has the DTW-2-105 which has 491mm of pen mind you and correction: its mobility is similar to the radkampfwagen and has gen 3 thermals
i really dont know what gaijin was thinking with this one since every other 9.7 wheeled recon tank has a better round, good mobility and most has gen 2 thermals but the vextra for whatever reason has to go up in BR if it gets a better round, i dont get it :/
I see you’re now discovering the France tax.
In a similar way that the British are not allowed their tanks to move faster than a vegetative snail or armour, France is not allowed remotely competent cannons. Or armour.
the round isnt the only thing that can get better
yeah been noticing it for a while now, i dont wanna say its blatant bias as much as i want to as it would be unprofessional on the forums but it really feels that way.
my verdict is that giving it the OFL 105 F2 and staying at 9.7 would be perfect
i noticed, bossman’s bug report mentioned the transmission being incorrect and the thermals not being gen 3, but at the moment i believe giving it a firepower buff would be phonominal
And the reason why this is such a big deal is if you look in protection analysis, although it may not be the most accurate it gives us a good idea of things, the vextra with 350mm of pen compared to something like DM33 with 408mm of pen, although its not that big of a difference in numbers, the performance is very much noticable when fighting 10.0 russian tanks at 700m+, (im using russia as thats the most notirious 10.0 lineup you’ll likely face)[img]
Edit: The difference in penetration becomes even more apparent at 1000m
Only gets better against T80UD.
(This is sarcasm, it gets much less fun)
the T-80UD and the T-72B 1989 changes the story a lot, DM33 cant go through that either even in closer range, but i think with the ZLT-11 you can pen the T-80UD and 1989 in the lower part of the UFP, you might have the fact check this but the point still stankds.
Id rather fight T-80Us/contact-5 with 400mm+ of pen than with 350mm of pen
Don’t know if you can reliably get the breech with less. But I also haven’t fought them with less in a long while.
Regardless, proper round for vextra would make it a lot more manageable.
yes, and just tested this but with a higher penning 105mm dart like the one found on the ZLT-11, you can pen the UD’s UFP through either the known weakspots (no shit) or a bit below the drivers port
Mainly what I was trying to point to, but I am very tired. It is 0430.
Thing is that due to the fact some French Vehicles are either overtiered or undertiered by limiting their armaments in French Tree we tend to have multiple BR lineups as a standard as French Players so it’d have way more interest to build a 10.0-10.3 lineup with Vextra, AMX 40, AMX 32,SEM… Than building a purely 9.7 lineup out of it + It doesn’t change anything to the fact some 9.7 vehicles of other tree have way better ammo and it doesn’t seem to be an issue to the devs to leave them be 9.3/9.7 so i don’t see why VEXTRA should be monitored when it could get put to 10.0 or left at 9.7 with OFL 105 F2 APFSDS. It’s gaijin fault for never doing the right things at the right time that we lack a good 10.0-11.0 lineup. Many proto Leclercs and Variants of AMX 30 as well as a ton of light vehicles have been suggested by various members of the community and gaijin rather would give us vehicles in place where lineups where already good(M36, M26, MARS 15) are a few example of additions that could instead have been Stabilized AMX 10RC, ERC90 sagaie, Prototype Leclercs… Yeah devs are doing quite okay with the French air Tree lately but they never cared a bit for the ground tree… There is needed fixes that are still rotting away in gaijin bug report section after 2 or 3 years. Gaijin manages ground vehicles really bad for nations outside of USSR, US and Germany and these are facts.
understandable, go to bed man xd
Hello @Smin1080p
Thanks for your answer.
1. About the Devs’ wish to create a 9.7 line-up :
We understand the Devs’ choice to provide France for a line-up at 9.7. But the truth is, there is no 9.7 line-up as of right now. Only the VEXTRA (which everyone agrees doesn’t belong here) and the AMX-40 are placed at 9.7 right now, as the VBCI-2 is definitely not 9.7 worthy. I know it because I own the VBCI-2. And while it is a quirky little IFV, it is by no means competitive at 9.7.
→ 2 vehicles do not make up a line-up.
The whole point of this post was to convince the Devs to give France a 10.0 or 10.3 line-up instead of a 9.7 one.
Why a 10.0/10.3 line-up instead of a 9.7 one ?
Because 10.0 means Tiger HAP and Jaguar A, while 10.3 means Super Etendard.
These vehicles are among France’s most iconic vehicles for that period and the VEXTRA being a light tank, France players want to be able to use the VEXTRA along with CAS.
Also because it would finally give the Devs a reason to fix the Roland 1’s elevation … and put it at the same BR as the FlakRakPz 1 at BR 10.3.
Let’s make a quick comparison.
On one hand, the only credible line-up we get at 9.7 is as follows :
Or, if the Devs get around the idea of giving a 10.0/10.3 line-up :
→ This is what a REAL line-up looks like. There is no point in creating a 9.7 line-up if there all the appealing support vehicles are positioned a BR or two above.
2. When are the other vehicles coming for 9.7 ?
@Smin1080p, it’s been a little over 4 years since the Leclerc has been added (“Imperial Navy” major update released on May 29th 2019). You have been telling us about “fleshing out” this BR bracket for 4 years. And in 4 years, the only 9.7 vehicle we received was the VBCI-2 (a premium vehicle).
How long until we get the 9.7 vehicles you keep telling us about ?
In 4 years the Devs only added one 9.7 vehicle. How many more years until we get other vehicles to accompany the AMX-40 ? Two years ? Perhaps three ? Until then, the VEXTRA 105 will be wasted at 9.7. If the Devs want to add other vehicles at that BR : fine. But they shouldn’t artificially gimp a vehicle because a BR is lacking.
For these reasons, we plead the Devs to reconsider.
In conclusion …
The engagement and enthusiasm of France’s community has been exceptional around the VEXTRA 105, whether it comes to the forums discussions or the sheer amount of research and bug reporting that was done for the vehicle.
Let’s not let all these efforts go down the drain.
How will France players take it if they remain once again ignored, all to flesh out a line-up around a premium vehicle ?
For these reasons, we plead the Devs to reconsider.
is this EBRC jaguar currently in the room with us?
dont get me wrong id be happy to see it, but gaijin is dragging their feet on it as much as possible
its crazy to think the leclerc azur was the first 9.7+ tank in what 3 years
tbf for a 9.7 lineup the AMX-30 Super does pretty well and you can take the gazelle with you
then i would rather just play 9.3 with super, amx 32s, santal, and gazelle
I’m sorry but, it really feels like an insult the way you straight up tell us that we should pay for a premium vehicle to properly play France as you suggest us to use the vbci in our lineup.
And for the second part is there a known time period for when we will have more informations about it same for the new vehicles in this br range, we hear a lot about it but there still isn’t any new one ?
Because as you see nobody wants the vextra to stay this low and it’s not the first time we have to wait months, years before something ever get fixed (we are still waiting for many things that had propers issues and were accepted and are not now fixed)
Hey.
Nobody is suggesting you must purchase the VBCI. That was defiantly not the point there. The Vextra and AMX-40 can be used as a combo themselves or with other vehicles around them too. Such as the Roland and other 9.3 tanks too.
The Vextra itself is the first of these. First to bolster the 9.7 area and with the potential to move later if/as/when required. Others will indeed follow in future updates, which widen these areas more.
