No worries.
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First of all thank you for the inside you provided us it makes it much easier for us understand the decisions devopers make and we can express our opinion about it much better.
But to the point.
If this was what developers wanted to achieve i dont really understand why they picked Vextra then. On paper it is not a 9.7 vehicles and aperentaly they see it too so i dont really understand the choice of vehicle when there is amx-10 TML which fits that BR much better than Vextra.
This is good and understandable but the part i dont get here is that developers dont add whole line ups of 4-5 vehicles for one nation in a single update so naturally even if they add a new vehicle there and move Vextra to it there still wont be any real line up plus 9.7 line up will be weakened.
I think Vextra should be represented in its full potential as it is standard in the game thus it can support 11.7 line up better while it prepares the ground for the 10.3/7 line up.
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I was pretty sure i saw 10kmish value but seems like i didnt remember the exact value.
Slighlty better then M1128.
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Would also note the turret of the Vextra is significantly easier to hit than the stryker.
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Agreed, not to mention that tiger hap, super etandard and jaguar are all 10.3/0. Take away those, current 9.7 “line up” has nothing. I just think 10.3 will have much more potential.
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I have a question, is the -6/15 degree elevation angle currently possessed by the Vextra 105 correct? I got it today, and was greatly disappointed after the initial experience. The combination of the rear turret and -6 degree depression angle is very difficult to use, it’s hard to aim at the enemy except in urban terrain. The AMX10RC, which uses a similar turret and 105 gun, has a -8/20 degree elevation angle, and the once existed CV90105TML has a -7/20 degree elevation angle. In the internal structure view, the breech at the maximum depression angle still has a lot of recoil space.
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I played a few more games last night and the vextra and it more or less confirmed my suspicion, the vextra although being a great platform (with some issues) suffers a lot because of the 8.7 dart, 9.7 as everyone know gets sucked into 10.0 games almost constantly, and at 10.0-10.7 BR ranges you start to see a lot of T-80U platforms which the OFL 105 F1 has a lot of difficulties penetrating.
I still stand firm that the vextra should recieve the OFL 105 F2 and stay at 9.7 as that will make killing well armored vehicles just that much easier making this vehicle more viable.
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I’m far away from it right now as I’m grinding air but +1 from me.
AFAIK there are plenty potential 10.3 additions to france ground so idk, this could set the good baseline for it.
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With the f2 it wouldnt stay at 9.7, it would simply be better at all aspects than all wheeled light tanks at the same br
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How so? other wheeled vehicles at 9.7 with DM-33 all have 400mm+ of pen not to mention the ZLT-11 with around 490mm which is more or less the same as the OFL 105 F2, i think it will be reasonable for the vextra to stay at 9.7 with the new shell.
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youre more mobile than all of them… and would pen more and have better thermals than all of them aside fro the zlt which pens around the same as you, but you also have better mobility, and gun handling, btw there is a larger difference between the proposed pen of the f2 with the dm 33 than between the dm 33 and the f1
even then, the mobility isn’t all that different, the type 16, ZLT-11 and centauro 105 R and VRCC all have gen 2 thermals and their gun handeling is more or less the same, giving the vextra a 8.7 dart is just a stupid idea, and lets not forget the rooikat at iirc 9.3 or 9.0 with thermals, good mobility, gun handeling as well as DM33, all wheeled recon tanks are glass cannon in game so giving it a better round wouldnt change the fact that you can kill them easily.
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Actually no.
For example Type-16 has:
-Similiar mobility
-Much better armor that actually can tank some high caliber ifv rounds
-Commander thermals with excellent zoom
-LWS system and DM33.
Although i do think Vextra105 should be 10.3 if it receives F2 but the gap is much smaller then you claimed.
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Arguably the Type 16 should be 10.0, but yeah, if we consider the Type 16 have an appropriate BR for it’s capacity, the VEXTRA at 9.7 is fair enough.
Also the mobility advantages really only becomes an advantage when you have the capability to leverage it, wich is not happening on a 1*1km map, or if it obscenely above everything else like the VT1-2 or radkamper…
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btw the zlt has DTW2-105 which has 491 mm of pen at 9.7
also it is the highest pen round at the br so your saying that the vextra and the zlt are similar is irrelevant
also what we want is a unique round for the vextra not a round that is the same as DM 33
France now has a proper light tank for once after 4 years i would expect to have its proper round and specs
The current penetration difference between DM33 and F1 isn’t that massive. The Vextra currently is better than the Centauro romor, around a similar level as the VRCC or even slightly better, far far better than the ZLT11 and the only advantage that the M1128 has is it’s pen, the Vextra is better in pretty much every other way.
The Type 16 could easily move to 10.0 as is and the Vextra with F2 is 10.3 easily.
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the chinese light tank is abhorrent in all other regards that aren’t it’s shell.
still the Vextra should go to 10.3 with OFL F2, because it’s historical and it going there would benefit France as a whole (stepping stones for an amazing 10.3 lineup)
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it has 5hp/ton more… it is much better, also better reverse, which 8km/h for a light tanks is horrible.
the romor doesnt have gen 2, and you will keep having better mobility than those even the type 16, and bettwer round than all of them except the zlt.
it isnt it is much better. (stock values)
vextra : h:23.8º/s v:17º/s ; rad: h:14.3º/s, v:3.4º/s; romor: h:14º/s, v 4,5º/s; ztl h:15.5º/s, v:3.4º/s type 16: h: 18º/s v4.5º/s.
do you realize that the penetrations proposed for the f2 nearly has the same performance as the dtw on the zlt? in the case that the vextra get it is would make it just better than the zlt, it arguably is already even with the f1.