agreed. From tomorrow it wont really offer anything the scimitar doesnt beyond 15mph more on really flat open maps at the cost of horrible handling.
Scimitar is fine at 7.7 so fox absolutely is too
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M111 is a DM23 equivalent which is significantly better than 3BM25.
Chieftain 900 performs on par with Swedish T-72A so it’s a pretty moot point.
Oh no, a whole tenth of a second, definitely worth a BR increase if you ask me.
Those two should never share the same BR.
Nah, no worries, here u can comment everything that u want, i can agree or disagree but it is okay that u have your opinion tbh, the object 906 pens a lot more no? I think the apcbc pens around 230-240mm if im not wrong, that every 4 seconds thats why im saying that, and talking about the t55, im just saying that because tbh, i use it at 9.0 and it does really fine idk, is really but really really good at 8.3,the only problem is the long reload so yeh thats why i said 8.7 would be fine, but i dont complain a lot about it being a 8.3 tank, and tbh, yep leopard 1a5 is better than the t72 in 9.3, but the difference is that the t72 does a great work in uptiers while the leo1a5 does not, also, the LFP sometimes doesnt work (volumetric) i remember that kill a t72 with the mbt70 is a real nightmare,for some reason the 152 mm gun of the mbt70/kpz70 suffers a lot of the volumetric problem
Not bad changes!! But honestly i think that the fox is still op, just if u still use it as a rat, yeh, your turret is slower, but the problem is that the fox will be hiding in the most unimaginable places, is small and really really fast with a great gun that just pop tanks like nothing (idk how the british 30mm is sometimes better than a lot of 105mm guns) 8.3 for the fox would be fine,not more than that, in a downtier u fight 7.3 tanks wich are almost food for the fox, in 8.3 it would be a great tank, and in 9.3 would be a lil bit more challenging to use it
Tbh, scimitar is easier to kill, bigger and not as good as the fox, the problem is that a lot of times when u shoot the fox u overpen it xD
Well, tbh they are “almost” the same (i know turmIII is totally better) but in ghe turm III u get stabilized gun,great speed and mobility, a great gun, and a 30mm coaxial gun, but it doesnt have apfsds, anyway, u also have an autoloader (anyway the apds of the turm III is insanely good), in the t55a u get a .50 cal, stabilized gun, apfsds, average speed, great mobility and great armour for 8.3 sooo, the t55A is just better in therms of ammo and armour, but it lacks of speed and reload speed
No pzh should be 9.3 at least
Yes
Why do you think it’s stronger than other 8.3 MBTs , most of them have the same characteristics
at least 8.3
These don’t work at top tier, idk why you’re exaggerating. They are fine where they are, they’re just annoying.
Isn’t a good vehicle
Yes
Survivability is a lot lower, xm246 has a glitchy turret that makes it survive apfsds. Gepard simply needs aphe nerfed. Read: nerfed, not removed. Making it useless against any vehicle is a bad decision.
Maybe
No. It’s entire gimmick is that it has armor, otherwise it is same or worse than other 9.3 MBTs. Raising it just removes the armor and thus removes the tank’s reason to exist.
Yes
3BM25 is just a reskinned APDS, so it’s in every way comparable to L7 APDS Turm III has.
T-55A pretty much only has better armor.
Gun depression and gun handling are also vastly better on the Turm III.
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Ayoooo, thats too much, 8.0 or 8.3 would be fine, remember that u dont have depression and also at those br there are a lot of auto cannons and atgms that can counter the pzh2000 without any problem, the vidar would be fine in 8.7 due to the better mobility and the thermals
I don’t understand the fuss behind Type 69 to be honest.
all chinese t54/t-55 types are basically the same or even a lower BR than the russian models but get much more advanced technology
It’s not the Type 69 but the ZTZ59D1 for example gets highly effective ERA + LRF at 8.3 while the russian T-55 doesn’t even get a optical rangefinder and obviously doesn’t get any ERA. Pretty sure the dart on the ZTZ is also better
rats are rats whether they are 2.0 or 10.0, doesnt mean they cant slay giants.
Overall its a 7.7 from playing a lot of it. I can and have done just as well in the tetrach (-scout assists)
only side on. its profile is similar front on.
equally hard to kill as with the next update its .50 cal proof frontally (the armour is still underperforming after the change btw)
Its on par id say. Its more stable for firing on the move and trades 15mph for being able to jump around urban areas much better.
the overpen issue i have no clue how people are failing to one shot them. shoot just below the gun and its finished no matter.
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ZTZ59D1 at 8.3 is really good and should definitely be a step higher than T-55A.
I was more focusing on Type 69 as it gets a round that’s simply atrocious.
Also funny how no one mentions Vickers Mk1 being at 8.0 with full stabilization, 5s reload and L7 APDS.
Well, in EEUU at 8.3 u have the m60 AOS with a really bad apds and average heat fs, in germany u have the m48 ga2 wich doesnt have armour,speed or mobility,not even stabilized gun,buuut u get a good apfsds, idk about what other nations have at 8.3 tbh i just play EEUU,germany,russia and France.
Fair!!
Please,try them, atleast the xm800t, it does work really fine, u can even pen the t90m without any problem from the side
Ayo, lrf+ apfsds+ speed+mobility and autoloader is really good, i got 2 nukes with it tbh is such a great sniper tank
All 30-35mm AAA’s should just get HE, thats what i think, no ap or apds, just HE for planes,that would fix the problematic of people using AAA’s as antitanks
I really love the t72, but i love it because is op, i think is the better 9.3 with the leo1a5 and the stingray, the problem with t72 is that her entire armour is bug and there is a lot of problems with the volumetrics when u hit it, i have several clips of how i shoot her side and i just get a hit or other where i shoot her gun and it doesnt get any damage and i just say “okay, im dead”
Ayooo also a 105mm gun, china does have a really good set of vehicles to use i can see
Ngl, i would feel safe playing in a tiger II knowing that there can be a fox hiding that will shoot the back of my turret and pop my tank like a popcorn, think about in a low tier the fox would be insanely good, i remember when it was 7.7 and it wasnt funny to fight that thing
I have a old clip where i shot the front of the fox with a panzer IV, yes, a panzer IV, sometimes i like to bring old tanks to higher br’s just for fun, and i just did a hit,idk how, but just a hit, maybe volumetric, idk
You should compare to actually decent MBTs
66mm is not “easily” penning anything.
So make them useless in general? SPAA need to be able to do “something” to tanks or they become incredibly pointless to play. Planes are not ever-present, planes give bad rewards for killing them, and these SPAA also need to stock grind modules like everything else. It’s also just plain unrealistic to fully remove AP from them. They were used for anti-vehicle work irl too. Fixing APHE’s damage also solves the issue without removing the capability to effectively play the vehicles.
I don’t think you read what I said.