I haven’t really looked into much and i could be wrong, but didn’t the VEAK not historically have access to HE-VT due to it being made in a time where 40mm Bofors HE-VT wasn’t a thing?
HE-VT wasn’t developed until the 1970s due to its complexity.
VEAK was developed in the 1960s.
Veak didn’t enter service so it was highly unlikely it was equipped
All in all, if the 40mm Bofors was indeed developed in an earlier date, I’d expect that theyd also be equipped on the M42. (Still missing its ballistic lead mechanic that would make it competitive)
As long as the VEAK didn’t have access to HE-VT rounds historically, I am fine with the change. Sadly, a good SPAA is lost, but you also gain a great 7.7 SPAA to use, which will greatly benefit the 8.0 lineup.
Wjat fucking 7.7 lineup do you plan on playing bud? 3 tanks and a plane? Bring the veak to 8 9 and we basically play 9.0 with one of the worst spaa to sit at 7.7, too slow firerate to have a great chance at fast targets, constantly has to eeload and you basically lose the best spaa till 9.7
I could make a report but i do have sources about the HE-VT being available for 40mm at least at mid 60’s.
page 118-122 talks about the “currently available variants of proximity fuses” for different calibers (40mm included).
This got published in 1967.
the VEAK project ended around late 60’s early 70’s IIRC.
Trying to find more info at the moment.
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This one talks about a countermeasure system trial against proximity fuses to make them detonate to early and thus save the plane. tests were done with 40mm granades with proxy fuses and the countermeasure managed to make them detonate. so they had working 40mm proxy at least 1964-65.
4.3 “ZONRÖRSSTÖRSÄNDARE” page 20.
But i have also found info that they were not introduced into active service until 1975. but they did exist way before then and before the cancelation of the VEAK project. still looking for info if they were available during the trails of the prototype VEAK in 1963.
I don’t mean to come off as hostile or anything, it’s not my intention. Just asking out of curiosity.
Why does that matter only now when technical capability (if it exists) is used on numerous examples in the game.
Two wrongs don’t make a right, I am aware but first example that comes to mind is F-5A/C countermeasure dispensers. Despite USAF never having them on theirs in real life, they still are equipped with such in the game (yes, the technical capability exists and F-5A was upgraded with ALE-40 by Norway)
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I think this is a translation mistake, in Swedish any shell that has explosives in them (HE) are called “granat” which directly translated is grenade. Even 120mm HE shells or mortar-rounds are called that. So i think i was just to fast with my typing when posting that one.
I found an ammunition register of the Swedish army from 1960, which has an entry on the slsgr m/484 (the name of the VT shell that the VEAK uses now). The link is https://tanks.mod16.org/pdf/Amregister,%201960.pdf . Although some of the entries come from a bit later (1963/64), the table of contents label this type of ammunition as being logged in 1960 (the year is shown in the TOC and in the top right of each page). The ammo appears on the 45th and 46th pages (the in-text page numbers are 43 and 44). Unfortunately I can’t really read Swedish, but maybe you could check if that’s the correct shell.
from a gameplay mechanic perspective as of currently what we have in the game in general, it doesnt matter.
especially since it is the current HE-VT shell the VEAK has in game, at least gaijin uses the same exact designation of M/484(i think you had a number-twist in there yourself).
so the shells existing in swedish arsenals in 1960 would mean the VEAK should keep its HE-VT shell.
So the devs are just gonna ignore their claims to “Historical accuracy” and remove munition types actually used by vehicles that aren’t a part of the big 3 now. That’s so cool. Honestly, whoever decided this change should be removed from making decisions.
The VEAK did have VT fused rounds available and in inventory according to a few Records that I’ll have to try dig up, and someone posted this https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/AD0739350.pdf on steam which makes the claim that radio fused rounds were available on page 198.
I’ll start looking for other sources but it certainly did have something of the form available and removing it is pretty shit when they fucked the Gripen for no reason at all.
Sadly the ammo in that one is labeled “ö” (ögonblicklig) “hk” (högkänslig) “sar” (spetsanslagsrör) which directly translated means immediate, high sensitive, point-contact-tube.
the proxy shells are labeled “zon” or “zonar”. the ones with timed fuses are labeled “urv”.