I don’t agree with lowering the BR of Sabres and MiGs at all, but if the BR of CL-13B Mk.6 and G.91Y are lowered, then Shenyang F-5 and Hunter FGA.9 should also be lowered to 9.0BR as well.
I played G.91Y and CL after BR changes but, it is almost untouchable unless teammates gets insta wiped.
Lowering BRs is not the solution.
These planes in the 8.0 to 10.3 region all suffer immensely from compression.
The supersonic 9.0+ planes have to go up at least .7 each (F-104, Su-7, ect.)
And then the all aspect slingers have to go to at least 11.0 if not higher. (A-10, Su-25)
Always ask for decompression, not for another BR pressing. Or Gaijin will get it wrong. Again.
The Swift F1 is quite a difficult plane to fly. It has good thrust in the right speed ranges, and it turns well in the right speed ranges. It is quite difficult to learn to be effective in it, I still havent got it down.
Even if you consider how good the plane is with a master pilot (which IMO is how planes should be balanced), a master MiG-15bis pilot is going to have a pretty big advantage against the master Swift F.1 pilot.
As for the F.7, saying the engine is ‘decent’ is damning by faint praise. At 8.7, only the scimitar is stronger (Meaning it is stronger than the Sea Vixen and Lim-5P in terms of the maximum rate of energy gain). The fireflashes are funny ig but not reliably effective enough to count much towards its BR. The energy-manoeuvrability is again, very good, but only in certain speed ranges which makes it sort of difficult to learn. I think the swift f7 was around about the same level of competency as the MiG-15bis, im not too concerned about it not going down.
What? You can’t enjoy your Swift F.1 with shit maneuvrability, no flares (while meeting the Yak-38) and a tail so small my pinky is bigger than it? Too fucking bad bruv. What’s that? Skill issue? Mkay.
the swift is a good plane, just not for all
You captured it exactly right here. I personally don’t see a point in calling for BR reduction of vehicles that now fall victim to the Sabres and Migs that were lowered, it’s just fighting the symptoms not the disease, and will actually make things even worse.
The overpowered supersonics that were making Sabres and Migs unplayable should have gone up, and the things below it wouldn’t have this problem. Lowering the BR of earlier jets in response to this will in turn harm the even earlier jets, and push them into prop BRs.
Gaijin’s decision to lower Sabres and Migs BRs, if not reversed is on course to create a cascade collapse of the entire BR system all the way through props. The need to decompress supersonics is reaching a critical point, Gaijin constantly refuses to do it for years but soon it will be either that or the entire matchmaker will break down. This is in everyone’s interest even if you don’t play supersonics.
Yeah, or just a general decompression, not just the supersonics would be great
Only Super-sonic in that BR that I have experience in is the Lightnings. They could easily move up to 10.0 with Red Top overhaul/buff. But would be brutal if they moved up at all with nothing
British Venom FB 5 on br 8.7 … finally all modifications researched and forever in the hangar … f… hell …
Venom i find is generally alright, could do with 8.3 but unlike the Vampire it has the concept of thrust
I love how the F58 hunter is the same br as the F.6. I can understand why the premium F.58 is the same br you know its not like its got Flares, actually decent AAM, better Bombs rockets, and literal AGM-65 AGM. Yes as you can see its the same as the F.6 that has nothing. Well done Gaijin you really out did yourselves.
Like the Yak-38M with 4 r-60s being 9.3 but a Sea Harrier that gets 4 objectively worse missiles is at a whole 11.0.
thats just objectively wrong, the R-60M is worse than the AIM-9L for most applications, and the R-60 is even worse, not to mention that the Yak-38 has worse flight performance and cannon and the Shar actually gets flares
yeah the fact that the they are STILL the same BR is bullshit, Gaijin when will you make the Hunter F.6 good again
Wait holdup the Yak 38 doesn’t have flares? How is the 9L better though it will never get a kill on anyone who has flares and sees you. How about a counter argument for the Harrier Gr1, terrible missiles no flares no RWR bad flight performance (although it should be a lot better) but it is 9.7.
Yak-38 vs Harrier Gr1 is a much better comparison.
Though the Harrier Gr1 does have better speed and overall better handling. Though Gr1 shouldnt be 9.7 in its current state.
9L has much better range, whilst flared just as easily, you get more shot oppotunities. Also the Yak-38 has rear-aspect only IRs
It has all aspect capability, longer range, as well as not being quite as flare hungry. The Sea harrier is also on a better platform.
I don’t think you realize how bad the Yak-38s flight performance is (I haven’t played it, but anyone who has says that it is quite bad.
I’ve test flown the premium Yak-38 a lot actually. Its pretty fun NGL. Its faster then the Harrier and has a better instantaneous pull for whatever reason. It will in the first turn at the same speed out turn the in game harrier.
The yak-38 is a terrible example since its a near unplayable pile of shit if it didnt have those R-60s it would be 8.3 at most, also how are Aim-9L objectively worse??? The R-60 are rear aspect only and even if it had the R-60Ms it shoukd have they would still be worse missiles, also the sea harriers aren’t the best but they’re playable.
no it wont ive played both the Yak-38 and harrier airframes enough to know exactly how each of them perform. The yak-38 can pull more AOA and that is it, its actual turnrate is abysmal because of its small wing area and inability to use VTOL in fights it will lose to a harrier every single time, if you’re actually dying to Yak-38s in 1v1 which i presume is the reason for your opinion maybe you should try getting good
It is pretty terrible its alright as CAS with the S24B though if you want to snipe Gepards
You sound extremely inexperienced and lacking of all nuance/context… everything you’re saying about the 9L is ACTUALLY true for the R-60 (and the R-60 ISNT EVEN ALL ASPECT) but the R-60 has a third of the range…
It does not.
I never said I lose to them in 1v1 lol I said I have played with it a lot in test flight out of curiosity. In test flight it is faster and pulls harder for the first turn. I later compared it to the Gr1 as that is a more reasonable comparison. The Gr1 does have worse missiles no flares and no RWR and is at 9.7.
