Valentine XI increases BR from 2.7 to 3.0

[Hetaeron]

@markimash

C’è una differenza tra “nella vita reale questo è stato considerato pesante, quindi dovrebbe essere etichettato come tale” e “penso che questo dovrebbe essere pesante perché non rientra nella mia definizione di medio”.

Are you serious? That’s the most pathetic attempt at gaslighting I’ve ever read, especially when others have said the same thing. You should have reread the messages as I advised you to.

[O_Warrior0]

@Hetaeron

Especially when it seems I’m right… And you’ve written nonsense again… I think you should repeat your own words while looking at yourself in the mirror… Or better yet, reread comments::

I have kindly reread my own words, and it shows that you have decided to use a source that was made up by someone and still refuses to give me a proper source and evidence to proof that the velentine is an heavy tank. As I can’t find it yet.

[O_Warrior0]

@Hetaeron

Are you serious? That’s the most pathetic attempt at gaslighting I’ve ever read, especially when others have said the same thing. You should have reread the messages as I advised you to.

Not to be mean or rude, but I think he’s right…

[markimash]

@Hetaeron

Are you serious? That’s the most pathetic attempt at gaslighting I’ve ever read, especially when others have said the same thing. You should have reread the messages as I advised you to.

That is someone else. Here is what you keep saying yourself.

@Hetaeron

What seems strange to me is that it behaves like a heavy tank despite Gaijin mistakenly classifying it as a medium tank

@Hetaeron

The point is that it behaves like a heavy tank, so we might as well classify it as a heavy tank and remove its artillery.

@Hetaeron

But as long as it is a medium tank, it should not have the same characteristics as a heavy tank.

@Hetaeron

The KV-1 is a heavy tank, genius… it is literally a characteristic of every heavy tank to have thicker frontal armour… The Valentine XI, on the other hand, is a medium tank and should not have the same characteristics as a heavy tank.

@Hetaeron

I say that an medium tank shouldn’t behave like a heavy tank,

@Hetaeron

behaves like a heavy tank despite being classified as a medium tank

@Hetaeron

effectively making it a ‘heavy tank’ at its current BR despite being a ‘medium tank

@Hetaeron

The Valentine XI behaves like a heavy tank at its current BR and BR 2.7, despite being classified as a medium tank.

Every one of these is “This tank performs like My definition of a heavy tank therefore it should be a heavy.”
This is why i will keep asking you if the m6 should be changed to a medium tank. The m6 behaves like a medium so it should be changed to a medium, right?

If you want to use what the other dude said for an argument, then use that. Stop with the “behaves like” and “similar to” stuff.

[Hetaeron]

@O_Warrior0

I am still gonna try my best to answer every question you asked. Not like you.

In reality,I also answered the questions you asked me, showing you that it wasn’t what you thought… I’m sorry you took it the wrong way…

@O_Warrior0

So you got no problem killing any tank with the worst tank possible then you have no problem killing the valentine XI. Case solved…

But wouldn’t you like to see it for what it is historically? (Putting it as a heavy tank would reflect the purpose for which the British built it.) I’ve always pushed for a game as historically realistic as possible rather than a game of total fantasy.

@O_Warrior0

Ok so because the VK 3002M behaves like an heavy tank in the frontal armour, and you use the worst possible tank within it BR range and find out it totally impossible to penetrate it from the front.

When the VK 3002 was produced, its manufacturers (Maschinenfabrik Augsburg-Nürnberg) classified it as a medium tank, not a heavy tank. We follow what the tank manufacturer says, not what you like to hear.

@O_Warrior0

Not OP, right? then it fine. I need evidence I need the sources. I don’t want sources made up by people in the forums or wikipedia. I want proper sources and better from the officials. If you can’t provide it then we can’t make it as a heavy tank; the best we can do is make an infantry tank.

@O_Warrior0

I have kindly reread my own words, and it shows that you have decided to use a source that was made up by someone and still refuses to give me a proper source and evidence to proof that the velentine is an heavy tank. As I can’t find it yet.

Yes, I understand that you will not accept anything that is not in line with what you say.

[markimash]

@Hetaeron

When the VK 3002 was produced, its manufacturers (Maschinenfabrik Augsburg-Nürnberg) classified it as a medium tank, not a heavy tank. We follow what the tank manufacturer says, not what you like to hear.

The irony of how this was your entire argument.
Luckily the other dude came in.

[O_Warrior0]

@Hetaeron

But wouldn’t you like to see it for what it is historically? (Putting it as a heavy tank would reflect the purpose for which the British built it.) I’ve always pushed for a game as historically realistic as possible rather than a game of total fantasy.

No, unless you can prove it.

@Hetaeron

When the VK 3002 was produced, its manufacturers (Maschinenfabrik Augsburg-Nürnberg) classified it as a medium tank, not a heavy tank. We follow what the tank manufacturer says, not what you like to hear.

The Valentine XI was classified as an infantry tank, so we can make it an infantry tank.

@Hetaeron

When the VK 3002 was produced, its manufacturers (Maschinenfabrik Augsburg-Nürnberg) classified it as a medium tank, not a heavy tank. We follow what the tank manufacturer says, not what you like to hear.

@Hetaeron

Yes, I understand that you will not accept anything that is not in line with what you say.

So you indeed can’t prove it with a source? Or are you just lazy too?

It is classified as an infantry tank.

Valentine - The Tank Museum

[Hetaeron]

If you’d read, you’d have noticed that the argument has evolved. You’re a prime example of someone who only uses sources that suit you and completely ignores those that contradict you. That’s why I told you to reread the comments:

@Hetaeron

The player KillaKiwi informed me that the Valentine XI, which theoretically should be a heavy tank … Well, let’s make it official, remove its artillery and put it as a heavy tank at BR 2.7… But as long as it is a medium tank, it should not have the same characteristics as a heavy tank.

@Hetaeron

Just follow KillaKiwi’s advice and correctly classify the tank as a heavy tank… Does that bother you that much? (Rhetorical question, obviously, since you haven’t accepted any of my solutions and are just complaining)

@Hetaeron

the British actually classified it as a heavy tank which would make the modification historically realistic too

@Hetaeron

Apparently, historically, it should be a heavy tank. Does this fact have some weight, or do you want to ignore it for your own convenience? As you see, your perspective is completely distorted, and you’ve already demonstrated this in the thread, ignoring valid arguments.

@Hetaeron

What seems strange to me is that it behaves like a heavy tank despite Gaijin mistakenly classifying it as a medium tank… Apparently the English built it to be a heavy tank,so we could also classify it as such by keeping it at BR 2.7.

@Hetaeron

Read the entire speech from beginning to end and you will understand… But if you want a summary, it seems that the British created the Valentine Xi with the aim of it being a heavy tank:

It has also been written several times that, in theory, the British had historically designed it to perform the task of a heavy tank, thanks to the comments of KillaKiwi and Josephs_Piano who shed light on the topic by literally informing everyone that it is a heavy tank.

[markimash]

The crazy part in all of this is that changing it to a heavy wont change your issue which started this whole thread.

At least it will have the correct marker?

[O_Warrior0]

@Hetaeron

It has also been written several times that, in theory, the British had historically designed it to perform the task of a heavy tank, thanks to the comments of KillaKiwi and Josephs_Piano who shed light on the topic by literally informing everyone that it is a heavy tank.

@KillaKiwi @Josephs_Piano Would you mind kindly giving me the sources so I am able to read them? And don’t give me Wikipedia please.

[O_Warrior0]

@Hetaeron

If you’d read, you’d have noticed that the argument has evolved. You’re a prime example of someone who only uses sources that suit you and completely ignores those that contradict you. That’s why I told you to reread the comments:

Alr so since you trust the comment more then history then I can simply say “Valentine XI is classified as an infantry tank, so it should be an infantry tank.”

[markimash]

@O_Warrior0

“Valentine XI is classified as an infantry tank, so it should be an infantry tank.”

To be fair, the matilda is also an infantry tank. I suppose the idea is that infantry tanks should be in the same type.

Though that will also have to be looked at for the cruiser tanks too. Some are light and others are medium

[O_Warrior0]

Let’s get this more accurate so the first day you post it… it was because of it frontal armour being so thick that the worst tank possible can’t penetrate it from the front. What are you thinking? It a goddamn build for breaking through the frontline, and it must survive heavy hits from the front. Of course the armour has to be thick!!!

I still don’t get why do you have to use the worst tank possible to compare it? I don’t get it. Why?

[O_Warrior0]

I think gaijin can create more type of tanks like instead of only. Heavy tank, Medium tank, Light tank and tank destroyers. There are plenty more to be added. Look at air – how many types they got…

[markimash]

@O_Warrior0

I still don’t get why do you have to use the worst tank possible to compare it? I don’t get it. Why?

I have a theory.

He came across a valentine head on, couldnt pen and decided to reverse and hide, then the valentine got him with arty.

Im not sure why else he would be so focused on it losing arty support.

[O_Warrior0]

@markimash

I have a theory.

He came across a valentine head on, couldnt pen and decided to reverse and hide, then the valentine got him with arty.

Im not sure why else he would be so focused on it losing arty support.

Maybe. That’s why he got so much beef with it.

[markimash]

Its my guess because he has stated that he was fine with it remaining at 2.7 if it lost the arty.
If the armor was the problem, the label change does nothing.

[O_Warrior0]

I believe the best way to solve the issue is to drop the BR of the M14/41 to 2.0… remvoing the artilitery from valentine XI will change almost nothing. Moving it up in BR it gonna became useless.

[KillaKiwi]

Yeah Gaijin just makes them whatever they want them to be.

But it’s Gaijin, so thinks need to be as inconsistent as possible 😂

[TheDudesRug]

Jesus. Who cares if a tank acts like a medium or heavy. It’s about capability. Imagine having this debate about the 279…

… is it a heavy?
… is it a medium?
… is it a MBT?
… is it a freakin UFO?