ye ye ye my precious tank. The Valentine XI is literally a tank between decent and bad. Me? I find it quite trash. It may have a decent armor on the front; you can simply learn it weakspot and killed it…
Learn its weak spot. done. That’s all you need.
I don’t think so… it already an tasty meal for it at 2.7 full uptier. Now at 3.0… because you can’t penetrate the KV-1 or any other heavy easily… you’re probably going to say: oH No tHe kV-1 iS tOo pOweRfUL neEd tO mOvE to 4.0, I cAn’t PenTrAte iT!!!
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Ah, alright, my fault because a dude with so much experience has an issue killing a tank that is so easily killed if shot at a weak spot. I told him to learn spots, and he refused to do so.
Yes, I imagined a nonsensical answer like yours. The image clearly shows you that the front armour is impenetrable, and this is usually a feature of heavy tanks, not medium tanks …
Another nonsensical response dictated by repressed anger… I advise you to calm down and look again at the image I posted earlier… The Valentine XI has no weak points in its frontal armour.
The KV-1 is a heavy tank, genius… it is literally a characteristic of every heavy tank to have thicker frontal armour… The Valentine XI, on the other hand, is a medium tank and should not have the same characteristics as a heavy tank.
That’s why I also proposed this modification for the Valentine XI:
The player KillaKiwi informed me that the Valentine XI, which theoretically should be a heavy tank … Well, let’s make it official, remove its artillery and put it as a heavy tank at BR 2.7… But as long as it is a medium tank, it should not have the same characteristics as a heavy tank.
Oh yes, it’s possible to penetrate it if your tank is an average tank, but you can definitely flank it if you know how to drive. Change your tank mate. You want to play the worst tank in the game? Deal with it.
So use another tank then if you have a problem. What do you expect? You expect the worst tank in it BR to penetrate it and be the best of the best??? Try using other tank other then a tank that is over tiered.
Welp, the Valentine definitely does not act like an heavy tank at ALL!!! You can literally kill it with HE 120 mm+ calibre, which can literally overpressure it with HE literally ANYWHERE!!! Can the Kv-1 be overpressure everywhere? no. The valentine has armor thinner then paper on the side. How about a heavy tank? defintely not.
Absolutely not, give a better reason. I have to totally disagree that it has an characteristics as an heavy tank.
Yeah I saw, 3 matches with rank 1 UK and 5 matches with Rank 1 Germany. Fact is that you have no experience playing the vehicle you are talking about, and only have experience playing against it. This instantly removes basically all credibility from what you have to say about it. Not all, but most. Currently, from the way you talk like an NPC and clearly do not fundamentally understand how balance works in this game, the shred of remaining credability is also lost. If you made an actual argument comparing the Valentine to other vehicles at 2.7 and 3.0 based on the reality in game, then you might be able to restore some of that crediblity and come across as anything other than someone who died to a vehicle and got mad about it. As it is now, some of your statements are factually incorrect:
and the arguments you make are based on the idea that:
because it’s frontal armour can stop what is probably the worst shell at the BR. If you cannot see why this makes no sense, there is no sensible or logical argument you will ever understand because your perspective is so completely skewed and you have already demonstrated this in the thread, ignoring other people’s valid points.
Valentine XI is literally one of the worst 2.7s in the game, its incredibly slow with a crap cannon, filled with solid shot that barely does any damage, the only decent thing about it is the armour when angled.
Yes the M15 cannot penetrate it but that means absolutely nothing. Take the Panzer iii J1 which (I think) is 2.7, it has 106mm penetration point blank, nearly DOUBLE what is required to penetrate it. Take the STRV M/42 EH, that’s 2.7 as well, has 85mm penetration point blank, again, more than enough.
Want me to list more? I will! M3 Grant/Lee, 97mm Penetration with 75mm APHE, along with a 37mm which has 87mm penetration, the M3 is a tough nut to crack when you’re in the M15, in my opinion more difficult than the Valentine.
What about a full downtier? 1.3 Panzer IV C which it CANNOT see, 80mm penetration with HEAT, perhaps even more pen if it gets the better HEAT shell (I dont actually remember but I think it does), even the starter British vehicles dont have any issues, QF 2 pounder has 89mm penetration point blank, Russian 45mm has 70mm with APHE which can obliterate it at close range, or even more easily from the side. It’s purely just the M15’s issue. If you really want any Valentine to go up, it should be the Mk i, with the QF 2 pounder
Edit: some of my numbers may be wrong I’m just recalling stats from memory
This thing should just be a step lower, as well as other M tanks.
Turan I from the same tree is sitting at 2.3, while it’s better in everything compared to M15/42.
Whether something is HEAVY or MEDIUM is irrelevant - BR’s are based on in-game performance (apparently), so will go where the competence (or otherwise) of players puts them.
Can all vehicles be penetrated from the side? And your advice is to state the obvious, to protect your precious vehicle? Stop being angry and do yourself a favor and calm down, maybe think before you write nonsense
Most of the 120mm calibers are all higher BR and the ones that are lower BR literally have a 40 second reload… What are you scared of?
Just follow KillaKiwi’s advice and correctly classify the tank as a heavy tank… Does that bother you that much? (Rhetorical question, obviously, since you haven’t accepted any of my solutions and are just complaining)
Here’s your reasoning apparently the British actually classified it as a heavy tank which would make the modification historically realistic too
I believe this, it means that English players are terrible compared to Italian players who play on a whole other level, as you said, the statistics confirm it.
Yes, just because I didn’t spend money to activate all the nations like you did doesn’t mean I’m inexperienced with the game, as I demonstrated in an older comment. This is usually the same mistake made by those who activated all the nations with money. They played around with it a bit, but never really thought about the tanks’ strengths or weaknesses. So, I’m sorry to tell you, but you’re the one who just lost credibility.
It’s obvious that you didn’t read the topic well since I proposed more than one idea… BUT apparently to be right on the point you totally ignored it.
Apparently, historically, it should be a heavy tank. Does this fact have some weight, or do you want to ignore it for your own convenience? As you see, your perspective is completely distorted, and you’ve already demonstrated this in the thread, ignoring valid arguments.
Using an italian tank to whine about a british infantry tank is quite funny, especially if its a joke vehicle like the M15. However, it’s the only nation that is consistently worse than britain because their tank designs were abysmal.
ignoring shooting yourslef in the foot by playing italy, youre shooting your other fiit by ignoring the D.I.E protocol: Disarm, Immobilise, Execute. Track and barrel them.
Faster, about as well armoured, Double the firing rate and APHE. They die to the exact same things.
Valentines cant position like a M15 can. they have to hold W and pray.
you dont even know the tanks you are crying about. one has a 6pdr and no machine gun, the other has the 75mm and a machine gun
the 6pdr is high velocity and does ok damage, the 75mm has bad shell drop but does punch like getting run over by a train as far as solid shot goes. however the ROF is far below par of what we see at that BR
pure cope
Wrong again. the valentine is an infantry tank like a churchill or matilda thats been mislabeled by gaijin.
The Valentine XI is, in my honest opinion, no different or better then the T-50 or M3 Lee or IKV 73 or Pz 3 L.
The Valentine XI has a mediocre gun with a decently long reload for the BR, and it has decent armor but zero speed.
At the same BR, the T-50 has a decent gun, a very quick reload (almost half that of the Valentine), is faster, and has similar hull armor with a slightly weaker turret.
At the same BR, the M3 Lee has a better main gun (and two guns), more crew members, and is more mobile than the Valentine. Its armor is worse but its made up for by having a ton of crew and two decent guns.
At the same BR, the IKV-73 has a decent gun as well, and is really fast. It’s armor isnt terrible either.
Overall its not a valentine issue but an M15/42 issue. That tank should be 2.0 but isn’t because ITaly.
Mate, I’ve done it loads of times, but you can’t do it if your tank (M15) is slow. Everyone knows that. Have you only just realised that the M15 is slow?..
Furthermore, the Valentine XI has a turret, you cannot flank him at close range,If you behave as you just described you will end up dying… The only way to destroy it with an M15 is… I know, I’ve done it many times… Kill it at medium to long range by hitting it in the sides while it doesn’t notice you… Obviously, you have to pray that you’re the one who spots it first, otherwise if it turns its front armour towards you, you can no longer penetrate it with the M15.
I think you misunderstood my intention, since you seem to think I offended you… I’m just trying to classify the Valentine XI correctly, which, according to player KillaKiwi, is a heavy tank.
Here too there is a solution: classify it as a heavy tank and increase its cannon reload speed.
In my opinion, you should reread the comments before writing.
For ground literally everything. For Nava? defintely not all can be pentrated from the side. If you were complainning about a Naval battleship vs Crusiers, I’d agree with you.
How many times do i have to mention that I do not have that vehicle and I only face it? I face it, I kill it. if I have skill issue penning from the front, I flank, but I don’t need to… because I have no problem penning it from the front.
Very chill, to be honest… I am enjoying it. It will improve my bad grammar. Says you for talking about the nonsense…
Alr, Sure your right in the fact lot of big calibre gun are at high BR. but even if you don’t have high calibre gun, you still can pen the Valentine like paper… Literally every single nation tank destroyer can pen it like paper even the 1.0 one… probaly other then the french rank 1…
But anyway, what your problem with the valentine…? maybe try it urself before you calling it way too OP or use an average tank in that rank and try to kill it.
Give me source and evidence of it being an heavy tank.
Source and evidence… it’s better if you provide the source. I am very sure it classifies as an infantry tank.
