Can you send the clean version of this image, I have a friend currently grinding usa as I’m grinding my second nation and I warned him about choosing usa and the teammates that come with it and I just want to use this when he finally gets off the xm’s
Untill Gaijin can create more balance Matchmaker system. That can balance Premium and 1 death-leaver in normal match. Things will take a lot longer to change. I could see this being a problem since XM-1 apocalypse.
Also as i’ve heard from many flex-nations players. A lot of them said that current US top-tier (ground force) offer nothing new to the table. So a lot of them would rather grind new nations. Play at others BR or just play whatever they want.
Your so called better hull armor add on is bugged and makes shoots penetrate.
Not mentioning how german add ons get a smaller multplier then swedish ones just because
The M1’s have nowhere near the worst protection, the M1A2 would be somewhere in there:
Best protection ------------------->M1A2<---------------------------- Worst protection
The M1A2’s have the second best firepower of any MBT in the entire game save for the Type 10.
The combination of second best APFSDS (after DM53) with second best reload rate (after Type 10) is extremely potent, and makes this one of the most dangerous vehicles in the hands of a skilled player.
This says more about your ignorance on the topic than it does about the vehicles.
The T-90M isn’t even on-par with the T-80BVM, and the T-80BVM is about on-par with the M1A2 SEP.
T-80’s and T-90’s aren’t the problem, the Leopard 2A7V and Strv 122 are. They are the current flavour of the month MBT’s and are one step ahead of anything else, including T-80/T-90’s.
Mate, surely you must’ve noticed that the protection analysis is currently bugged? I’d think that the simple RHA lower front plate being impenetrable is a good hint of that being the case.
Like the M1 does here:
And here:
That’s because you’re not using the protection analysis tool correctly.
The UFP of an M1 is immune to any and all APFSDS in the entire game, even at point blank range:
Talk to those level 12 players spamming out M1A1 Click-Baits and M1A1 AIM’s with no line-ups, no idea how the maps are played, no idea where to aim or even how much ammo to take with them.
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And another one. I can go on and on, yet people crying about the ‘weak’ tanks. Even more hilarious to see these complaints from a people, who touched only US tech tree. And this proves that people is only the issue, not the tank itself.
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Its strictly a population issue… Its not like American tanks are crap, either. The bigger the population, the more idiots you’ll find. The US tree is definitely the most played overall, simply because people know America is a military powerhouse IRL. However, they keep forgetting that the tanks they used in the more recent wars weren’t tailored for tank on tank combat.
As such, you’ll obviously find that many more idiots who keep forgetting about this fact. Paired with the fact that they’re noobs and believe in the ridiculous “muh invincible abrams”, they’ll :
- Buy a clickbait,
- Run out into the middle of an open field
- Get fisted by 5 darts within 2 seconds,
- then ODL.
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That is correct
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Have you seen how many low lvl AIM and Clickbaits are out there?
Don’t listen to this screen dude, I have not a single time EVER nonpenned this tank with that round.
bruh you’re negative with every US tank, why are you my team every match I play
This is just false lol, the problem is a lot of US information is classified and a lot of people overestimate how good certain qualities of the abrams are.
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I agree with you, but your bugged screenshots diminish the visual impact of the armor differences. Here is a basic comparison for better visual reference!
Not to mention that the UFP is far from being an auto-ricochet. It auto-ricochets at perfect LOS angles, yes; but as soon as there’s a single degree of a difference, it becomes as lolpenable as the rest of the tank (except for the cheeks).
Also, leaving aside the improved hull armor SEPv2 and AIM should have, these are other Abrams-related issues that make it underperform to a lesser degree as well;
1- Wrong fuel tank bulkhead thickness and geometry:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/xK4GPBS59dUL
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/Y2HnjTv8kNAG
2- Wrong turret ring geometry and thickness:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/hn6WHPVB7r3K
3- TUSK not being removable from SEPv2:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/m0ITNd22gRXO
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/D1Wg94Hrg2Vg
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Man what can I say
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Which is wrong:
2A7Vs upper plate does not ricochet APFSDS, even at extreme angles.
Here’s a better basic comparison for visual reference when accounting for how the armour of both tanks actually looks & performs incl their current weakspots:
Yes, the Abrams is technically better armoured than the 2A7V, but that shouldn’t be a surprise knowing how much aritifically nerfed the latter is (even compared to other Leopard 2s, which share only the central mantlet weakpoint).
Not to mention that the UFP is far from being an auto-ricochet. It auto-ricochets at perfect LOS angles, yes; but as soon as there’s a single degree of a difference, it becomes as lolpenable as the rest of the tank (except for the cheeks).
~90% of it is an auto-ricochet as long as the angle is >= 80°
If the UFP angle is <80° then it means your opponent is either right next to you or above you.
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It only takes a 2º difference for the UFP/armor profile to turn into this:
…and then, this is what happens:
Be it because the enemy is slightly higher, you are slightly lower, or your hull is slightly angled.
The UFP only works on a literally perfect LOS flat angle, but maps aren’t flat. And the flat ones, urban ones, are so close range that the angle is nullified.
Believe me, the reason why I perform way better on Leopard 2A7V compared to M1A2 SEP is VERY simple; one tank is better, the other is worse. So I perform better with the better tank, and worse with the worse tank.
K/D: 1.93 vs 0.97
WR: 67% vs 41%
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If the UFP angle is <80° then it means your opponent is either right next to you or above you.
Makes you wonder.
I also do love how neither of your screenshots actually shows where the APFSDS had impacted really, although it be rather easily infered that it was the driver’s hatch in the first image which well… doesn’t ricochet:
K/D: 1.93 vs 0.97
Cool? Here’s my K/D in the 2A7V: 2.77
Here’s my SEPv1 K/D: 1.97
Tbf, I’m cheating here since my 2A7Vs K/D had been made back when the spall liners still worked properly. I reckon that, If I had to spade the 2A7V all over again today I wouldn’t break 2.2
WR: 67% vs 41%
I’d chuck the latter to how bad US teams are than anything else, seeing as my K/D is whole 1.0 higher than yours in the SEP but my WR is only 30%, lol.
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See, this is another reason why I want every nation to get capable counterparts.
Instead of adding proper counterparts to every nation, Gaijin implements tanks that are OP in the current status quo… only to… what? To nerf them into the ground. The Leopard spall liners, as of now, are not even COSMETIC.
If the Abrams, Merkavas, Challengers, Leclercs, etc… were as capable because they weren’t so nerfed and/or had stronger variants implemented as well (SEPv3, XLR…), there would be no need to nerf the Leopards.
Basically:
What Gaijin should do: implement equally strong MBTs for everyone.
What Gaijin currently does: implement extremely powerful MBTs compared to other nations’ underperforming ones, nerf said powerful MBTs to the ground so they don’t stand out so much against the already also underperforming and less capable MBTs of everyone else.
Also, this is another matter, but I must ask- is your Forum account different from your main/gameplay one? I just wanted to take a look at your nations and all but your ingame profile showcases an empty level 4 account xD
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Huh? No? What?
Found you now from the friend list!
I think I got an username doppelganger earlier lmao
EDIT: Look at him HAHAH, I did not know two players could have the same username, but it’s possible if it’s different platforms, it seems! (This one is a console player)
The IRCM from M1A1 HC and Click-Bait works as it should? Bc i have the feeling it dont works and i would trade it for gen 2 thermal for days (like on AIM)… Idk about M1A2 serie…