There may be two kinds, then- but I know for certain there are many extremely high-performance players who get bored when they play the meta because they curbstomp with way too much ease.
Thus, in desperate attempts to find a challenge, they go and play the worst possible vehicles they can find.
That in the end still doesn’t change anything with what I said. Vehicle performances are one thing to measure, but when a majority of players cannot utilise a vehicle, it is not the vehicle’s fault. The premium spam is a prime example of such. Leopard 2 PzBtl 123, 2A4M CAN and Click Bait spams have already proved that good tanks means jackshit if the people who use them underutilises the vehicle completely.
Let’s say we have Joe and Jane, two players who are exactly average.
They both usually have a 1:1 K/D and a 50% WR; they are literally, exactly average players.
Now, Joe unlocks the Leopard 2A7V, and Jane unlocks the M1A2 SEP.
After a few days with their new toys, Joe has a 2.0 K/D with the 2A7V, and Jane has a 0.90 K/D with the SEP.
They are identical players with identical performance, yet Joe performs way better with the 2A7V than Jane does with the SEP.
This is not a “Jane issue”; it’s a vehicle balance issue. You can’t demand Jane to suddenly become a way better player to beat Joe and his 2A7V when Joe hasn’t had to improve a single bit to do much better thanks to his new, superior vehicle.
Now a real life example- except it’s just me, just “Jane”, who happens to own and play both vehicles:
I am just a basic, average player. If SEP is so good and on par with 2A7V, why would I perform significantly better on 2A7V compared to how I perform on SEP?
1.93 on Leopard 2A7V, vs 0.97 on M1A2 SEP.
Believe me, the reason why I perform way better on Leopard 2A7V compared to M1A2 SEP is VERY simple; one tank is better, the other is worse. So I perform better with the better tank, and worse with the worse tank.
This again is him failing to understand the point.One reason I thought he couldn’t speak English well.
He proves he wants a seal clubber so he can switch of his brain and have fun whacking everyone.I think that is what US players want when they complain as well.I accept many US players are not American and many Americans are top players using the US top tier line up.
This is once again such a horrible comparison, you’re also assuming so many things like equal matching and equal skill set and equal play style and…you get what i’m saying.
Each tanks have a completely different play style, you don’t play everything the same way. An Ariete doesn’t play the same as an Abrams, and an Abrams doesn’t play the same as a Leopard. This is very much just forcing a comparison between a grape and a banana.
Wtf? xD
What I want is everyone to have tanks with similar capabilities PRECISELY so that there are no seal clubbers because they don’t have proper counterparts.
Right now, there ARE seal clubbers that are only seal clubbers because they don’t have proper counterparts.
All I want, therefore, is for everyone to get proper counterparts to the seal clubbers so that, proportionally, there are NO seal clubbers no more.
Is it really that difficult to understand?
Another example; Naval.
Back in 2022, we had Scharnhorst facing USS Wyoming. According to you, the USS Wyoming player asking for a better counterpart against Scharnhorst would be “an American asking to seal club instead of learning to play”, rather than just someone who wants fair balance. Like… really?
Of course.
Some tanks require you to sweat off in order to do well with them, while you can play other tanks by turning your brain off and playing like a headless chicken and still do better than average.
That is not balance.
And a headless chicken will always lose to someone who actually knows what they’re doing instead of praying for the stars to align. I don’t think you understand that fact yet.
I expect that in new vehicles ,bad comparison.
I am not wishing to sound rude either,its a good conversation but one tank does not equal a BR and I am suggesting that the US being bad at the top few BRs is not down to the M1 having a silly shot trap.
Anyway ,I am off to watch my football team lose to Spain : )
That’s the issue; vehicles should always and only be implemented accompanied by fair and proper counterparts :/
Oh, I had forgot about that hahahah
Always a pleasure! At this point, I find refreshing to be able to have such conversations without someone wishing death upon the other or something lmao, so o7 (even if we can still get a little heat up, since we are passionate about our points after all xD)
I guess according to this logic strv122 is just much worse than 2a7.
Ur joking right? You showed a clip of an crippled man not shooting anything but the cheeks and that’s somehow showcase of the Abrams high survivability? This goes for literally any other tank that has some inpenetrable parts. It doesn’t change the fact that it has massive weakspots you can shoot just by roughly centering the tank on top of not having any spall liners so it spalls everywhere when you hit the hull on the side. When you get hit Abrams anywhere except the cheeks you’re either dead or completely disabled meanwhile Russian ERA can stop a full round at an angle and hitting Leopard 2A7’s on the side does absolutely nothing.
skill issue
I played the 122s for much longer (since their release), and everything was quite different back then, so not really comparable.
In 2020-2022, I was also a WAY worse player due to mindset and health issues (I had zero patience and near complete inability to focus or pay attention to anything), so my performance was worse back then, which should be considered when it comes to my 122A/PLSS performance.
Furthermore, until late 2022, my old computer crashed over 30% of the matches (I have video evidence lmao), which also affected my stats for vehicles I used before I got my new computer in late 2022 hahah
As for SEPv2’s performance, I’m not sure why I did better with it compared to other Abrams variants. Stock APFSDS and smoke might have helped, but I still had to grind through stock HEATFS on tanks like 2A5, 2A6, and PSO, where I still performed better than on A2, AIM, or SEP, so I don’t know.
Regarding the 122B+, I am going to improve its stats soon. I have only 82 matches with it so far, with at least half of them being stock or mostly stock, but I’m doing better now that I’ve spaded it, so… yay!
And when it comes to SEPv2;, I can’t play it anymore brcause I’ve unlocked all mods except one per tier, which I’m saving for bonuses when SEPv3 arrives. So… xD.
In 2029? Along with any means of SPAA
That moment when you want to “just spawn SPAA” to deal with the C*S that spawn camped you, but you don’t have 1,776 SP:
Then why do you not use the actual sep v2 stat for comparison, but use sep v1 stat, even though then you played worse and the tank was weaker without the reload buff and compare it with 2a7 stat when you started playing better and spall liners were op? It’s illogical.
Your stats on sep v2 just reflect current abrams condition. Сompetitive MBT that clearly above average.
I played too few matches on V2. Besides, V2 is technically worse than SEP, since it’s the same thing, but heavier and slower because we still can’t take off TUSK II.
You conveniently seem to be ignoring the second video in which I take around 11 hits, many of which weren’t to the turret.
Clear example of double standards. If that clip had been of a T-80BVM absorbing shots to the turret, you (and others) would claim that’s evidence of the T-80BVM having fantastic survivability.
Plenty of shots also landed to the side of my vehicle, so the claim that only turret front was hit isn’t even true.
Here’s another video of a 30mm autocannon continuously firing into the side of my M1 for 6 full seconds, and still doesn’t kill me. (next to tanking 3BM-42 rounds as well).
Potentially, yes, but obviously technical performance is the most important factor. As you point out, even when we control for skill of the player (like what Spanish is doing), there are other factors that could mess up player stats on a specific tank. His Strv 122B+ K/D being much lower than his K/D for the Leo 2A7V means that he either performed poorly with the 122B+ or performed above average with the 2A7V (as we know that in most ways the tanks are identical).
When comparing two tanks that are not (nearly) identical, you need to look at technical performance or have some sort of assurance that your personal experience with the tank is valid. The main ways to do this are to (somehow) prove that you performed equally skill-wise with both tanks, or you have a large enough sample size for poor luck to be a negligible factor in your performance.
By comparing his stats between the (nearly identical) M1A2 SEPv1 and SEPv2, we can see that his SEPv2 stats track with the SEPv1 despite the much lower number of SEPv2 battles. Since we know that the 2A7V has better technical performance than the SEPv1/2, his player stats also make sense.
TL;DR: His Strv 122B+ stats are outliers, but the SEPv1, SEPv2, and 2A7V stats make sense in comparison to their contemporaries and/or technical performance, but overall it is better to use pure technical performance.
