MAWS has blind spots.
Also, nothing limits to gunkill you, but not dogfight
players in metafighters doesnt know how to kill A-10 then.
The blind spot is basically directly on top and directly below.
In order to gun kill A-10C…you have to get in gun range. Which means you have to get in missile range. And also get in it’s gun range as well.
I have went up against some of the most experienced sim players with my A-10s and have came out on top. So just make sure that you include yourself in that category when it comes to playing something like MiG-21 against A-10.
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yes, but theyre still exist
well, why would you need to go directly on A-10?
they just not ready to fight against smth that isnt a F-5 for example, for a lot of time that wasnt hard to play soviet side at such BRs
and, still, a lot of random players just going in dogfight with A-10
I don’t see how that makes US mains worse than others. Everyone is focused on issues that directly impact them, that’s how the world works.
You can be concerned with something, but it’s not until it directly impacts you that you increase your effort.
It seems like you accuse US mains of being more numerous and having a bigger say on the forum, so you accuse them of simply existing. Due to them being more numerous, they are now supposed to be all caring saints.
I haven’t seen people defending spawn camping yet, until you.
When you consider that there’s still plenty of players on the blue side, unlike on the red side before the update, the red side players spawn camp much more and with deliberate effort, because they believe to have a moral high ground.
You seem to be acting like AIM-9Ms are R-73s and can actually be used off bore reliably.
How about you do what cant be done to a R-73 slinger and come from, oh I don’t know, the side or back.
How did people like this survive when we only had rear aspect heaters?
Guys, why are you even arguing about it. All A-10 and Su-25 variants are undertiered and have OP missiles for their BRs. They are not necessarily OP, but their weapons are OP and they are very annoying to deal with, while they don’t require, nor reward any skill. They are very toxic planes.
There’s nothing more annoying than dealing with an A-10A in a flareless plane with AIM-9Bs or something and very low ammo count, like early MiG-21s for example.
In fact, most attackers overall are undertiered, because Gaijin refuses to make attackers and bombers more important in the gamemodes we play and largely balances them around their ability to kill other planes.
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No. I am saying that in order for you to shoot me with your gun…you have to enter within gun range of the A-10…which means you have to get within range of its missile. If I am doing a turn and see you approaching me…I am going to shoot a missile at you that you cannot see. And if you pre-flare it…I am holding down the trigger in the head-on and killing you with my much better cannon.
I don’t see how this is a hard concept to grasp.
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That too. It outclasses everyone in a head-on, which you can easily force and is very easy to do.
The gun, the missiles and the infinite flares all scream idiotproof. The head-ons and spraying remind me of low tier battles and to be fair, most A-10 players are just that, new players who bought a cool premium plane. A decent chunk of them probably don’t know it wasn’t made for killing planes.
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There have been countless threads over the months from red side players complaining about how imbalanced top tier sim was and there have been countless posts from the same blue-side only players defending the old status quo as simply a skill issue.
You can even see this when German mains were complaining that everyone got an F-16 shoehorned into their tech tree and they were stuck with the F-4F ICE which was outclassed by everything at top tier. You know what a lot of blue-only players told them? It’s a skill issue and they just need to wait their turn to have a meta vehicle.
Pretty much anyone that has played red side prior to the Eurofighter has had multiple AMRAAMs launched at their runway during pretty much every game for the past year or so…or however long the Fox-3 update has been out. Everyone that has been defending the old status quo has been defending runway camping in one way or another because runway camping is simply a consequence of one team being outnumbered and outperformed by the other team.
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12.0 with R-27ER, 11.7 with just R-27R, 12.3 with R-77 as you must remember the R-77 is already preforming badly, on a slower airframe, it won’t be any better.
While the Su27 can sling more aams, more slinging doesn’t mean guaranteeing hits like it seems the aim-9m or aim-120 do
Yeah, it’s a trade off IMO. F16C doesn’t have the best flight performances at top tier anymore, and low CM counts, but 6 strong missiles and a decent radar with a really good cockpit make for a performance that’s somewhere in the lower middle of the pack of the top tier planes.
The Gripen with RB99 is a better plane, and I’d put the Su-27SM as equal to the F16C, with different strenghts of course. Two R27ET are easily as strong as two 9M (in different circumstances of course). The radar is bad, but good enough for Sim, and it has a ton of missiles in general.
Like, right now, in term of meta I’d say :
F15E > EFT = Rafale (vastly different strenghts) > F15C >>>> J-10 > Gripen C (RB99) > F16C = Su-27SM = M2000-5F >>> the rest (29SMT, F16D, all the 13.3, Gripen with R-darter etc.)
- Unknown is pointing out USA is now being beaten into submission like USSR was for the last 2 years.
- He has never defended spawn camping. Nor have I seen him do.
- USA mains are typically the loudest, leak documents, and are generally bad at the game.
- THATS WHAT HE WAS SAYING, most people play blue side as they have the broken vehicles!!
I don’t know if I still have it, but when spading the Su-34 (it was hell), I kept taking off the airfield to just catch a amramm and possibly launch an R-77, in most cases I lost, in rare cases I got up, killed the plane, then was intercepted by 2-4 blue planes.
The F-16C I have to say is better than you let on. Its irst is very nice, and when it was top, it was a menace to society. It’s a bit more balanced now, but I’d still put it in the “good” category.
The F-16C shouldn’t be the best flight performer. As far as I know, that title should be bestowed on the Su-27s /33. Especially in WVR / dogfights.
F15E > EFT = Rafale (vastly different strenghts) > F15C >>>> J-10 > Gripen C (RB99) > F16C > Su-27SM = M2000-5F >>> the rest (29SMT, F16D, all the 13.3, Gripen with R-darter etc.)
Until they fix the radar, and R-77… the Mig-29 has to be one of the worst, or the worst top tier planes. Nobody flys it because it turns like a boat, has terrible speed, and again, the radar is bugged, and the R-77 under preforms.
The only change is really make to your list is the Su-27Sm being equal to the F16C, they’re similar, but the F-16C still take the cake. I get the Su-27Sm gets a lot more aams, but like I said previously, they aren’t good, so more misses doesn’t equal a hit, if you catch my drift.
R-77 are better than Darter/derby…
its not that bad as you think
with second and third youre just wrong. do you remember Eurofighter leak, or leak from some soviet player/etc? Third applies to all main nations easily, only difference - theres more of them, than other nations, but just due of how US popular.
It wasn’t that bad, after fox 3 changes AIM-120 became noticeably worse than other fox 3s at close range. Fox 3s are much more balanced than fox 1s ever were, it’s nowhere near as unbalanced as R-27ER was.
The only big issues were/are drag for Russian flight models and R-77, and scan pattern repeating top and bottom (which affects all planes, but Russians suffer from this the most). Perhaps Su-27SM could get a slightly better radar.
That’s just the Russian planes though, France often fought on the red side with the Mirage 2000-5F, which was and still is an excellent plane in its niche.
German air tree shouldn’t exist past Me 163, until Eurofighter or F-4F ICE. Their whole tree in this range are copy-paste vehicles meant to slow down the grind and “fill gaps”.
I don’t have beef with German mains, I just reject the nation X main mentality. If you want to fly a Phantom or a MiG-21 with German emblems, grind the US or Russian tech tree and download a custom camo. Giving everyone the same vehicles is stupid and messes with historical matchups and IFF (IFF is primarily an issue for tanks in ground sim, shermans everywhere for example).
I could argue that there are no German air mains around for example 11.0, because there are no 11.0 German planes lmao.
One way to resolve this would be the ability to grind rank 5 US and Russian air trees, once you get to rank 5 in German air tree. You could grind the Eurofighter and F-4F ICE with rank 7 US or Russian planes. I think it would be more beneficial for German players than what we have right now.
F-4F ICE
Regarding F-4F ICE, it’s a vehicle that shouldn’t even be balanced, the same as MiG-21 Bison. These planes were outdated when they were introduced. They are supposed to be bad. It’s a similar situation as with A-10s and Su-25s.
F-4E, F-4J, MiG-21SMT or MiG-21bis are supposed to be balanced, F-4F ICE and MiG-21 Bison are supposed to be interesting examples of making old and obsolete vehicles somewhat useful, but still bad.
Now F-4F ICE ruins gen 4 fox 1 slingers experience with their AMRAAMS at 13.0, together with AV-8B Plus.
There’s a difference between deliberate effort and carelessness. Blue side spawn camps when there are no planes in the air, red side flies past the 10 planes in the air to spawn camp.
Red side was spawn camping even before the update, especially on maps like Afghanistan, perfect for launching missiles at people taking off and hiding behind the mountains from Rolands.
I can’t speak for others, but I avoid launching missiles at slow targets near enemy airfields (once you get up to speed and have energy to evade, it’s game on). I also never launch top down AIM-9Ms at people doing 200kph on the runway.
F-16C incredibly good flight performance aircraft irl? multiple pilots who have flown many military aircraft say a clean F-16 would be their jet of choice for a fun joyride
Not really, I still have good games. I just have very bad games too now.
I did.
USA mains are not dumb. People in general are dumb. More people = more dumb people. It’s hilarious for me how Eurofighters keep crashing, Rafales crash pretty often too.
Eurofighter is superior in every way to American planes, maybe besides F-15E in some aspects, yet there are still plenty of American players. Rafale is also superior in most areas.
Of course, large portion of the playerbase will just play the best vehicles. However, USA has more dedicated fans than any other nation.