Yeah I know how great MAWS and enough countermeasures to actually use it is. There is a reason I made two videos on it.
Hopefully some friends of mine can get Aim-9M on theirs soon and then I can have back-up in the lobbies I go into. It might hurt the kill count but it’ll make the enemy team quit faster.
Maybe those MiG-23 aces from earlier in the thread will show up in my game.
5s 2350m
10s 5300m
15s 7160m
5s 2730m
10s 5850m
15s 7760m
I mean even without graphs, you can just use common sense. Higher speed = farther travel
You’ve never even played the A-10. I’ve actually flown both the Su-25 and the A-10, the Su-25 definitely accelerates better.
0-500kmh IAS
a-10 42s
su-25 35s ~20% faster acceleration
su-39 33s (with 173kg extra payload) ~27% faster acceleration
The practical differences in effective range due to the speed difference between the Su-25 and A-10 are negligible in any practical sense. The Aim-9M is far better in Air SB than it is in Air RB due to a lack of markers and the A-10C is far better than the Su-25 due to all-around better situational awareness and much more useful flight performance in most situations.
In a chase it does. Head-on, side-aspect maybe not.
Yes, but the R-73 is no slouch.
Don’t know about this one, speed is king in missile thunder.
Both missiles are going to catch a near supersonic target from a 4km tail chase when launched near sea level. The Aim-9M will also have a higher chance of success in a tail chase due to the whole being invisible thing. There are no markers in Air SB so distance has to be done visually anyways.
I never said that it was. It’s just a worse missile for Air SB and the Su-25 variants only carry two of them.
Speed is much more important in the game mode that you play because situational awareness is done for you in the form of red markers and third person view. Both the A-10C and Su-25 are slow for their BRs but the Su-25 has far less situational awareness.
Theres something wrong with your graphs.
Here’s what I found in mine. Both missiles chasing a target going 1000kmh at 100m altitude from 4km away chasing.
edit: fixed graph scale
Or there is something wrong with your graphs.
Either way the rest of the point remains. You know nothing about playing SB.
How can a plane traveling near mach only travel 1km in 9s?
Fix yours before trying to lecture me
Because a tail chase is modeled so while target is going above Mach 1 doesn’t change the fact that the launch platform is going 700kph / 950 kph. What you are seeing is the relative speed difference between the two.
So the graph is actually depicting the target’s relative distance from the launch platform and not the missile? I don’t think that actually shows if the missile is going to hit or not.
Either way the graphs I presented show a better picture without dependencies.
No way a short range fox 2 is going to hit a target 4km away (near mach) chase in an actual battle.
It’s also showing the missiles relative distance from the platform…so logically if missile and target are same distance from the platform at the same time…then the missile is hitting the target.
I might have to go back and look at the parameters I put in. It could be a misclick.
110%
Hmm
kinda odd you say the R-7 fire at most 7760m, when at fired at a plane in re-aspect (so I was chasing doing 578mph), an F-4 traveling at roughly 700 mph, at 2.3 km away from me, after burning the whole time, and didn’t know the R-73 was launched, and he did not flare, at a height of 250m, it missed… several times I’ve seen this happen.
If you’d like I’ll record the next time it happens if I haven’t already uploaded a video.
There is no debate the Aim-9m is still performing better, even on the slowest airframe which speaking volumes to how OP it is in Sim.
Compared to what? An R-60? An R-60M? An R-3R? It’s no slouch if you:
-don’t preflare in a turn fight when you know a R-73 carrier will be able to put turn you.
That’s pretty much it chief. Preflare every few secs and your immune.
Just send server replay link so I can actually see sensor data.
Compared to a 9M. What makes you think I was comparing it to an R-60 or an R-3R? Are you stupid?
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None of the Su-25 variants would be able to hit that shot in Air SB.
Its a counter argument that pre-flaring is 100% effective at defeating R-73s. Ignore the dogfighting part.
It’s a side aspect shot from point blank…of course it’s going to hit unless its can’t just pull in.
Pre-flaring is easiest way to defeat R-73s that are fired from over 1km away.
The Su-25 doesn’t have HMD…so it has to get into a position where it can hold the nose on you in order to lock the R-73.
Wow more Air RB clips while using HMD.
HMD provided no significant advantage there. You’re just nitpicking at this point to try and de-value.
