Aren’t AGM-65 rocket powered too? I saw in their stats they go like .9 mach
How so…?
That’s true, anyone with a brain would’ve maneuvered though.
Yes it does. Airspeed matters a lot. You’re not gonna catch an enemy running away if you’re half their speed and they’re over 1.5km away.
Yes. They can reach over 10km depending on airspeed and height.
Because other than G over load, the R-73 seems to act very similarly to the Aim-9L
The AV-8B hardly if at all, had any time to maneuver.
Pull up facts and documents to support all that good sir, both in game, and irl.
Besides G-load, the R-73 has thrust vectoring which makes it deadly in a dogfight, AND gatewidth IRCCM.
The pilot saw your missile and flared immediately. He had plently of time to maneuver.
You want me to prove basic physics, not even, common sense?
More speed = more range
Missiles are affected by air speed. In this test, at high speed the missile impacted in about 4 seconds (I clocked it at 3.92s) from 1.5km away. At low speed, the missile impacted at 5.63 seconds from 1.5km away. I retested them at the same altitude just to make sure that altitude wasn’t massively affecting the results and at high speed and high altitude the missile impacted after about 3.7s even though my IAS was about 200km/hr slower than at low altitude. This difference could be attributed to user error, but missiles are known to perform better at high altitude, which means the missile fired at slow speed had an advantage if you are correct that IAS does not effect missile performance… and it still took longer to hit the target.
Keep in mind, these are R-73s fired against non-flaring targets flying at a relatively constant low to moderate speed. They are not accelerating away from the missile.
@UniqueScorpions
^ R-73 1000kmh, 100m altitude
@ 2.5s it travelled 1100m
@ 5.0s it travelled 2770m
@ 7.5s it travelled 4500m
^ R-73 500kmh, 100m altitude
@ 2.5s it travelled 770m
@ 5.0s it travelled 2240m
@ 7.5s it travelled 3890m
Airspeed absolutely matters, and so does altitude. If you want to hit long range targets, go as fast as possible and loft the missile allowing it to arc and briefly go into less dense air decreasing its drag.
Both of these are a bit blurry, but I’ll take you at your word, however you’re flying at both min / max.
I know the Su-39 is not as fast au the Su-27, but the slowest I was going was 479 mph, with the fastest being 560ish in those clips, both of which are far min speed for a su-27.
@Axzuel
I see, I stand corrected. Thank you for the info. You’ve also just proven indeed the Su-39, and Su25T / SM3 are in a far worse position than I have feared.
I still firmly believe the A-10C should become 12.0 though, the features it has are too good vs its counterparts.
Additionally, I think all the previously mentioned Su-25T/Sm3, and Su-39 should get 4x r-73, but, if the Su-39 is carrying its radar pod, it should be able to take 2 r-60ms, and 2 R-77s, or 2 R-73s and 2 R-77s.
Opinion rejected.
It would take too long to explain this. In short, I will say this. In real top tier, ground attack aircraft like su25 and a10 are useless. You can kill a plane by chance because.
(too slow + insufficient missiles + no dogfight skills + you can’t escape + insufficient or no radar +)
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Yeah the Su-25s and Su-39 are not fast which is why the R-60M and R-73 do not perform as well on it. The same is true of the Aim-9M on the A-10C.
The A-10C is a tech tree vehicle though, so if you feel that you can’t beat them, why don’t you just join them for an update and see if the Aim-9M is really as broken as you think it is?
You really have to face a pantsir that displays no brain activity to let an A-10C kill him.
The amount of skill issue to die to an A-10C in a Pantsir is just beyond massive.
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Yes they really are that slow. Combine that with the bad speed of the A-10C as a platform, you have to get within 9-10km to reliably hit pantsirs with them. Either that or you have to fly higher, but still within pantsir range, making yourself an easy kill.
And if you do get one off, shooting down mavericks is some of the easiest stuff to do as a Pantsir in ground battles.
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There are no Pantsir in Sim EC.
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Because they’re gimmick aircrafts in Air game modes. Nothing good about them except their missiles.
I don’t play sim but in ARB the A-10C is fine at 11.7. Its simply too vulnerable and anyone with a braincell can dodge a 9M going slow since the average speed of an A-10C is like 500kmh.
Air RB has nothing to do with Air SB. You are playing a game mode with randomized up-tiers and down-tiers with shared markers for aircraft and for missiles and third person view.
The Aim-9M in Sim is completely invisible. Tiering is also completely different…the A-10C will never fight F-15s, F-14s, or the like. The absolute hardest thing that the A-10C will fight in Air SB is the MiG-23 MLD…a plane that on average is worse in Sim than it is in Air RB due to the limitations of flying in cockpit view.
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Yeah I said “in ARB”… I didn’t say “in sim”.
I’m well aware that sim is different hence why I never made an opinion on it in the first place?
This is the sim sub forum. The people that are complaining about the A-10C…are complaining about the way that it is tiered in Sim.
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I’m allowed to to post here despite mainly being an RB player just like how you’re allowed to go on RB top tier forums despite not playing top tier RB.
I went and tried it. A-10C is still hilariously undertiered and needs to go up. Any other suggestions?
Sure you are welcome to post in Sim section of forums. But as far as I understand this thread is about A-10C BR in air Sim. So how about you stop posting offtopic RB stuff / keep them where they belong?
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Generally speaking…If I am posting in the Air RB forum…I am going to be talking about Air RB.
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My posts are not off topic. I corrected someone for not understanding that airspeed matters in missile range. Then provided opinion on ARB because ARB and ASB are not completely mutually exclusive since they both share the same mechanics and game engine. The only differences are the matchmaking, objective, and 1st person with no instructor in which I purposely avoided talking about.
So how about we not gatekeep this topic at the first sight of the word “RB” without reading the comment?
You know your profile is public right? This is literally you talking about Sim in an ARB topic. I don’t really care if you post sim in rb but damn.
