Hi All,
Long time warthunder player but never made a post, forgive me if this is in the wrong place.
Ive grinded the entire US ground tree and US air tree, had a blast doing it. However more recently, im not sure which update, but top tier USA ground has became a slug feast. Each game is becoming the same. Spawn in, die by russian tank, spawn in, die by russian cas. Im finding it very difficult to combat the CAS aspect of it.
I understand “US never had SPAA” debate and relied on CAP, but even spawning CAP requires you to get 2-3 kills which is still quite difficult when the US side is always losing.
Im not here to recieve the get gud debate or have the russian bots come into this post, im justlooking for some advice on the best way to combat this and if anyone has any tips? The more and more i play the more i think i should just stop top tier and grind the russian tree instead since they have the best tanks, cas and spaa at this rate.
Any help would be appeciated, last resort is to just stop USA at top tier and move elsewere but since i dont get much time to play anymore im keen to avoid this and just hop on for 1 - 2 games a day. Thanks all :)
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unfortunaly gaijin thinks that russia is some galactic super power and gives them crazy overpowered stuff, its pretty funny tbh because i garantee half of the stuff they have in game dosnt even exist or bearly works irl, but yea just play russia for ur own sake lol
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It’s not a US Top Tier issue anymore.
The situation you describe is the universal top tier experience and if you’re not killed by Russian CAS, it will be a Rafale, Gripen or Eurofighter.
Your SPAA is not able to deal with them in an effective manner and your team mates are no help either.
I have hopes that the situation will improve when Gaijin adds multi-vehicle SPAA systems like HAWK or Patriot to the game, but that hope is…limited.
You might want to consider to drop from Top Tier down to 10.7 or even 9.3 where the balance is a bit better.
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Best is to get like 2 kills then spawn a fighter.
Take some aim9m too. They are really good in ground rb.
Hello, welcome to the forum.
Technically, the ‘easiest’ solution would be to squad up with a Soviet player, since you’ll avoid getting paired against them much more (I guess you’ve seen that sometimes the two teams have the same countries). It is undeniable that CAS is frustrating, and at this pace everyone’s going to hate Russia because of it. There are a lot of things we currently need to ‘solve’ these problems, such as better top-tier SPAAs, a very big change on CAS and probably balance the scouting function a bit, as it can reduce the SP cost of CAS. Everyone will just say that it’s easy to evade these fabulous KH-38s (it isn’t unless you look at the sky at all times). And let’s be honest, if you die relatively fast and when you spawn with a second vehicle you get killed just when your spawn protection goes out, you’re better off going for another battle and abandoning the current one. I also think, although it might be too much, that CAS shouldn’t be able to lock on you while you’re on the spawn protection thing, as they take some time and by the time they’ve reached you, the spawn protection is non-existent. Teammates are sometime a bit dumb too, they get constantly killed by planes, yet they just go and spawn another tank instead of spawning a SPAA (they of course get killed again by a plane). I play Israel right now, so the Imp.Chaparral is quite worthless at 12.7 (I don’t have it and I won’t research it until they add a decent SPAA to Israel’s TT), I instead spawn my helicopter with 8 ATAS and fly around while baiting them (they usually go check if there are helicopters flying around to kill them). Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn’t, but the good thing is that it doesn’t cost 600 SP to spawn a helicopter, unlike planes, and the addition of ATAS does not add to the SP cost. So in conclusion, you’ll find this problem a lot of times and the best way to deal with them is to side with them.
I must say that every time I get killed by CAS it’s when I play against Russia (almost every battle) I haven’t been killed by Eurofighters or Rafales or any helicopter from those tech trees, only in very singular cases.
Soviets have 1, a singular OP thing and France and USA share that OP trait: CAS.
Your post portrays YOU as thinking Russia’s a superpower in attempting to speak for others; I suggest you do more critical thinking as nation bias flat out does not exist.
USA is a better tech tree than the Soviets in-game.
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Mate what? most Russias gear aint all that, and considering the game especially at top tier is now plagued with amazing cas platforms in the :
F15E/I
F16A/C (the 16A and AJ also get 6 mavericks)
EF 2000
Gripens (not as good but still potent)
Rafales
Su-34/30s
it begs to wonder what any spaa can do, pantsir cant shoot me down in an F15A never mind an E/I with standoff weapons.
Its not exclusively russia at all, hell id rather use the cas from anyother nation than russia rn xD even with a su25BM with KH29Ts, there are far better platforms around to kerb stomp you.
well said.
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France, Germany and USA CAS op at top tiers?
Doesn’t Russia have 3 planes that can carry 6 KH-38MTs with over mach 2 speed and can be fired as soon as they spawn in the air?
You don’t see as many France/Germany or US players getting 6 confirmed kills in one run almost every time with ATGMs unlike Russias SU30/34/SU25SM3 - 6 kills every single time (4 kills for the SU25).
Which helicopters currently have the fastest ATGMs in the game? With the most BS survivability out of all helicopters? KA-50/52 ahem.
Which country has the theoretically best SPAA in the game at the moment? Something Something Pantsir. Even if Pantsir can still get dunked by top tier CAS at this point it still can do a lot more useful work than all other top tier SPAAs for other countries.
Please name me one country in the game besides Russia that has an SPAA with dual 30MM , Fastest SPAA missile, biggest radar range and ability to lock multiple targets at once.
[EDIT] Besides , someone debunked that the KH-38MT is most likely fake. So more fake sh#t for Russia but let’s nerf Brimstones.
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Please tell me how Su 34 goes mach 2… what black magic do you use?
Are we conveniently forgeting all the fnf missiles/bombs that NATO have in lower brs (compared to USSR/Russia)?
It’s like they’re gasp, shock, lightning crackle, lightning crackle designet with that in mind… and even are the only helicopter (Ka-52) in the irl with ejection seats…
None… and that’s the biggest problem. NATO dont have equivalent SPAA irl… and even with all those advantages, the Pantsir S1 is barely capable of dealing with CAS at top tier.
It’s not fake… and there are far wost things then he KH-38 in the Russian arsenal.
I think he meant that the missiles reach up to Mach 2, not the planes.
@WastedPA
Ka-52/50 get fragged rather easily.
F-15E has 26 air to ground weapons.
Rafale and Mirage 2000D RMV has Hammers, which are over-performing just as much as Kh-38MTs, and of course both are over-powered compared to the SPAA in-game.
No tech tree has SPAA capable of dealing with even F-16C.
No tech tree meets your other SPAA requirements either.
And you forget the primary purpose of ground RB: Winning.
You don’t win by wasting spawn points.
As someone that recently started playing typhoon brimstone CAS its not as easy as u think. We dont have fire and forget weapons, most of our time time is findings and killing pantsir’s and farakrad’s. We loose the laser lock most of the time dodging the incoming missiles and then have to wait another 30secs for our other missiles to hit if lucky. And then someone else spawns in one.
Teams have useless SPAA players, CAS use their fire and forget missiles from outside the SPAA range (99% russian jets), SPAA get spawn killed.
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Damn, this forums isn’t a clown 🤡 show anymore, it’s a whole circus 🤹♂️
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So schools are circuses to you…
Ground RB is primarily about MBTs and heavy tanks, light tanks are a secondary factor in effectiveness.
TDs, SPAA, and CAS are fun tools, but CAS isn’t as cost effective as even TDs.
And USA has among the best medium and heavy tanks in the game, as well as among the best light tanks.
This topic is also about SPAA which is the sole thing USA lacks at the top end.
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Sorry you disagree mate, rather than try insult me, why dont you formulate a coherent point, and have a discussion.
Kinda like the forums for.
Or take a personal offense and insult others.
The US tree overall especially for air is better than the russian tree.
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Sure do, but every tree realistically now adays is lacking a strong spaa top end, bar maybe the ITO and flak…
However USA has access to some of the overall best cap/cas planes.
Like a rafale for cas is potent, but an F15E can do both cap and cas easily.
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KA-52/50 get fragged easily on super open maps like any other helicopters but on maps with lots of cover for the helicopters, KA-52/50 dominate.
So what if the F-15E has 26 air to ground missiles? It’s best stuff is the same good old 0.9 Mach speed AGM-65Ds with warheads that sometimes can’t even one shoot tanks meanwhile the KH-38MT is punching through any tank armor and the GBU-39s that require you to slow down by a lot in order to even be able to drop them while becoming more easy to hit the Pantsirs or Air Missiles from enemy jets.
Rafale and Mirage 2000D Hammers are just as slow as the AGM-65s. Who cares about lock on range? You spawn close to the battlefield on all maps and within Pantsir range. All other nations gotta hug the deck moment they spawn or go away from the main zone in order to avoid the Pantsirs meanwhile SU30/34 can easily fly towards the zone.
“No tech tree has SPAA capable of dealing with even F-16C” You must be super super incompetent to not be able to take down an F-16C with the Pantsir. I’ve tested the Pantsir myself in a custom user mission and this thing is really busted. The fact noobs got their hands on currently the only competent SPAA in the game and still say it’s bad is really funny.
@WastedPA
Show me how Pantsir has a 25km range and 40+G missiles beyond 15km to engage F-16C.
If you die to Pantsir it’s as embarrassing as dying to ITO-90M.
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And I’mma say it right now. I also killed lots of Pantsir but those were only the ones that were unaware of me a single bit or were paying attention to other air vehicles.
Have an single Pantsir fixate on you throughout your whole flight and you will never be able to approach the zone unless you hug the deck real close while having it throw its missiles at you or shooting its dual 30mm at you.