Which again, is just frustrating because god knows when that will be and even IF those things are added. no guarantee that either AGM-114L or Brimstones will come in the same update, or even the same year.
Wouldnt be the first time new features were added but some nations were left waiting months.
i would like to see the aps/chaff smoke being included in their roadmap so we would know when it would happen but gaijin is gaijin. we waited pretty long for those nation research bonuses despite everything.
ah-64e suggestion was passed for consideration.
Russia’s not a tech tree in War Thunder.
You could call the Soviets Ukraine if you wanted.
they will go straight through smoke.
you don’t nee 16 since the First missile is going to kill you anyways.
the hellfires dont have a top down trajectory. they come in at a flat angle and hit the front end of the turret, and it takes half a minute for a hellfie to even reach a target.
which you can easily shoot hellfires because they are slow.
So the abrams with it’s imaginary reload isn’t biased?
The US tree has very good helicopters vs worse helicopters.
Best: AH-1Z and OH-58
Worst? AH-1G (still lives wayy to many rounds)
The Apache is not bad in the slightest.
Guess what? You get your end tier ATGMs at 10.3
It’s also helicopters in general aren’t doing all that well ;)
There’s no justification for the reduced penetration on the Vihkirs anymore. They should go back to 1000mm pen, but I’m not complaining
The other way of looking at it. You are stuck with a 10.3 ATGM at 12.0.
1200mm top attack ATGMs that usually one hit isn’t a downside, anyway you look at it.
could use AIM-9X tbh, and itd be cool
It has aim-9ms, which no other helicopter has something similar as I’m aware
AH-1W in China has 9L maybe?
yeah it has 9L, just checked
the 9X would be accurate and also not a bad way to introduce new gen a2a missiles
yes however if the pilot cant see you and you have moved they may miss. agm114l will hit regardless.
yes so those 15 others can be used into killing rest of the team
regardless they will have a good enough angle to penetrate tanks where they need to, especially considering how the flight path of 114L will differ from the other sal missiles due to how the radar guidance works
youre not gonna be able to shoot down 16 hellfires all going in different directions. at best youll get couple.
How about the fact it has 8km range when a lot of top tier ATGMs have more like 10km and that they have twice the travel time of a lot of comprable ATGMs at that BR. Only nation with worse is China.
Vikhrs for example travels out to 10km in less time than it takes Hellfire to travel 8km. Its nearly half the time.
Also… The Top attack isnt modeled.
but with vikhrs the spaa has a possibility of engaging you, tanks have the possibility to fire proximity fuze rounds or darts at you youre not firing them from behind cover, youll engage targets at max of 1-2 at a time unlike all of them at once and it will take you way longer to deal with all the enemies you can if you try to be efficient with those missiles.
no, vikhrs arent as bad as 114L’s. look at the big picture instead of being confirmation biased and looking only at the 1% that makes the vikhr seem better and the 99% that shows how its worse.
114L’s are likely going to get a new flight model anyway because the radar seeker on them realistically requires it.
I wasnt comparing Vikhrs to AGM-114L I was comparing to them to the basic AGM-114 SALs we have in game right now.
8km SAL only Hellfire vs 10km beam-riding vikhrs is a joke of balance.
So try reading what is being said.
and it should be modeled on the SAL version anyway.
yes the vikhr are better than 114 sal however 114L’s would just trash everything and be highly overpowered so that option is still out of the window.
the same flightpath as 114L shouldn’t be modeled on SAL however a proper top down attack should be. not sure what gaijins issue is with that and why they havent fixed it.
They would be comprable in performance to Spikes because Gaijin would nerf them to be the same kind of performance. They do it all the time wiht everything else, Just look at ARH missiles seeker performance.
again i have a feeling they wont be nerfing them considering they appear to be waiting for aps and radar chaff to be added to add the 114L’s.
While they do it with many other things, doesn’t seem to be the case with 114L’s.
The direct attack flight profile would be a much needed option for the sal hellfires. it would significantly improve tot of the missile
The top attack isn’t modeled? They come down from above and strike high angles into the roof. Whatever else would you call that?
These have two different guidance systems. My point earlier was, they nerfed Vihkirs pen for balance, but yet the hellfire is still 1200mm pen. If you want more range, you need a pen, and sp nerf, as gaijin has done to Russian helicopters.
That would be fair no?
I think its that the only solution they had to balance Brimstone’s quantity advantage was limit them to SAL only as the other solutions arent available in game yet (like SP costs changing based upon quantity)
So they used the excuse of MMW being too strong to avoid adding them. This is why their argument in the GR4 dev post was so stupid and full of mis-information and half truths, Most of their argument against adding them was purely due to either the LOAL mode as if they could only be used in LOAL mode or apply to any other AGM in game.
But they couldnt add MMW Hellfires and still deny Brimstones using that argument, so all MMWs have been denied for now