US ground vehicle tree on top of the tree, needs a buff

Well that isn’t your fault. That happens for any plane you fly.

and you would do worse because of all the stuff that i have mentioned

its still a more realistic outcome

I fire all 8 aim120c bvr after going straight up. Always secure 2-3 kills. Rearm and repeat.

I doubt it.

I rarely find that I need to defend much doing this early to mid game.

Playing smart, you can minimise the amount of notching you need to do.

its a skill learnt playing the F3s vs F-18s and Su-27s and F-14s, etc

Nah, I cant do that. I paly the long game, I run max fuel and a centre line tank just to avoid needing to RTB too early due to fuel.

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10 min fuel gang. Love it when the su30sm2 first pass me at the beginning but then I pass them 5 seconds later.

Yeah because you have the speed to get out of the way of most people’s radars. Then you are in a very good plane that can very easily beat the LSZ of whoever you cut off flanking

Not really imo.

Like I said, the same tactic works in the F3. I just flying a little higher in teh Typhoon

Too many people fixate on the early game furball. I focus on the mid to late game clean up.

Sometimes can result in 0 kill games. But usually come away with a few

It works in the F3 because the planes are relatively worse at the BR range as well

F3 is better than the F-18, Mig-29, Su-27/33, F-15A, F-14A, etc?

(I have actually beaten an F-15A before in a BVR fight in the F3)

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those are still aim120s at 13.0 dude you should win that bvr fight ever time

The 12.0 F3 has AMRAAM?

ohhh you meant the early, so like why are we even comparing it to the F-15A then

I mean the stuff at 12.0 is worse than the stuff at 14.3 so yeah, you can use similar tactics even though the F3 is not as good of a plane

The point I was making. with the right tactics, its possible to make even aircraft with weak FMs work. F3 at 12.0/12.3 is in near identical situation to the F-15C GE is at 14.3 imo.

The tactic I use on the Typhoon, Flank left early game, and aim to hit the enemy team in the side or rear. is exactly how I usually play the F3 at 12.0, and using that tactic, I have routinely performed respectively well, even against full uptiers. Managing to even score a long range SARH kill vs an F-15A who should have beaten me easily.

Same logic imo, applies to the F-15C GE. Instead of focusing on charging straight down the middle of the map spamming AMRAAMs, perhaps a more defensive mid to late game focus would actually help it a lot.

Id not be surprised if a small factor as to why the British Typhoon seems to do a little better, is all that F3 experience coming into play.

The doesn’t mean the F3 should be the same BR as the F-15A tho now dose it

No, it doesnt?

Nor does it mean the F3 should be a lower BR because it cant win a dogfight vs an F-18 or F-16 only 0.3 higher. Or even the F-4s at the same BR

Though Id actually advocate for it going to 12.3 with the right buffs. Like fixing BOL, adding Phimat and maybe adding combat thrust

I feel like your lost here you do realize the Br gap here would only be 14.3 to 14.7 right?? this isnt some large gap they would still see each other every game it would only adjust how many you see a little bit