its slightly better than 2 jets (Su-30SM and SM2), idk if that qualifies as average
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The maws doesn’t really help that much. And the sm2 is still faster than the mkm
what are you even saying anymore man. each has their tradeoffs
So, about the same speed I usually fire at then?
Mach 1.4-1.5 is about my average.
I agree, but I dont think that automatically means the F-15C GE isnt a 14.7 worthy aircraft.
But its a missile truck.
Using the same argument, should the Tornado F3 be a lower BR than the F-4s which will usually beat it in a gunfight?
Is it? Ive faced plenty of F-15Es in the Tornado F3 late, and not had too much of an issue notching the shots.
Or do what I do, side flank. When you spawn, turn 80 degrees to the left and climb to 20k ft. Once there, turn back in, and fly with the radar pointing towards the right, maintaining rough seperation, This is what I did in the M-Scan Typhoon for all of last year,
You dont need to fly straight upon spawning in .
Then let me reword it. Focus on one small area at a time. If there happens to be 2 or 3 targets flying close to each other, go for it, but otherwise, focus on the stragglers, people near the edge of the furball, not in the heart of it. Makes keeping seperation much easier
Su30s have the best radar but worst RWR. Typhoons have the best BVR but aim120s limited in count.
Rafales have the best missiles but can’t do well in long engagements.
F15ge have more aim120 than typhoon. I’d say America is the definition of being an average fighter with no severe disadvantage.
The point was having R-77-1x12 and overall pesa radar with a flanker fm isnt bad.
Prior to russian su30sm2 update this is how the best meta jets at the time looked like
- Rafale
- Su-30sm
- Eurofighters
- Everything else( not great tbh)
Now:
- Su30sm2
- Rafale(i can argue su30sm2 still can switch around but tbh i dont really care to)
- Eurofighters with aesa gimbal
- Su30sm/Su30MKM(still hella viable)
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F-15C GE is a straight upgrade over the F-18E in pretty much every resepect. Id say the same vs the J-10C at the moment, at least from what I understand of it.
Even 14.0s that probably should be 14.3 like the Gripen E, its hard to favour the Gripen E in a lot of places
in BVR F-15C GE is defiently a lot stronger than the M-Scan Typhoons, who are probably forced to try and get the fight going more WVR.
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its just countermeasure count and Missile count the J-10c is better in ever other stat
you realize this is proving my point. 1.5 is the absolute highest i have done on full blast.
holy strawman. the tornado had a far better radar than those F-4’s and has the SuperTEMP’s. the F-15C GE does not have a missile that stands out in any way and its radar is outclassed by most 14.3
ill give it a shot
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We will need to see what happens, once decompression hits. I am afraid that F-15C Ge will kinda have to lay back and sit at 14.3 unless its performs exceptionally well at the BR.(doubt because russian su30sm or Japanese su30MKM, normal non aesa eurofighters, are exceptionally decent at those BRs and will not move up)
As far as i see it as a ruski main, there is little you can but address the aim-120s bug report helping all the 120 platforms. But for some reason gaijin is ignoring to rework any of the missiles?
Maybe new mechanics, as leaked. EW or IR mechanics??? Who knows but i can say for sure F-15ex and su35s i think will drop with a new mechanic in mind(they are not really different from what we have rn)
if you look indivdually yes. but look at the bigger picture and it is pretty heavily disadvantaged. mediocre missiles, solid missile count, below average RWR, average radar, no IRST, no MAWS, garbage FM for the BR
How much fuel are you hauling?
SuperTEMP is near enough equal to the Aim-7Fs on the F-4S
Yes the F3 has a better radar but so to does the F-15C GE vs the M-Scan Typhoons.
But you purely stated
So im not talking about missiles, or radar performance, etc, purely looking at kinematics… F-4S vs Tornado F3 isnt a fair fight.
yeah because the F-18E is more 14.0 worhty than the Gripen E is. J-10C has a better FM, solid RWR, solid radar, and arguably better missiles.
in radar and raw CM count yes, in RWR, MAWS, IRST (for 2 of them), speed, and ability to evade no.
well that is a tradeoff no?
None of this is “severe”
all average
not used much
the su30sm2 doesnt have MAWS
super hornet
that is not what I said. i said without missiles only. seriously, stop strawmanning every other word i say.
25 minutes for that. but now 31. bit of a gas guzzler
Yeah, I barely bother switching to it these days. Once in a bluemoon I’ll use it late game when ive only got 9Ms left, but they are so bad, I use them only when there is no other choice
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i think the point here is the better radar is on the plane with the worse FP of the 2, unlike the Tornado vs the F4 the Typhoon has the advantage here in FP so it can still hold its own VS an F-15GE with a better radar
Hu?
Without missiles. I.E gunfighting?
So less than I take on the Typhoon. Thats hilarious. I remember being told that the F-15 would be faster than the Typhoon when it was added.
RWR only better than 2 planes
still an advantage
2 planes, unless base SM has it
literally 1 plane.
all that is still considered below average
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without missiles like the aircraft itself, just without missiles
i mean it could be underpeforming in speed. at least F-22 will be faster than typhoon later on
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