what’s your obsession with US players the F-15GE stats are on par with the other jets that should stay at 14.3 like the Su30sm and J10C the only outliers in stats are the Typhoon AESAS,SM2 and Rafale so clearly what actually needs to happen is for those 3 to go up.
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Well, going purely by stats, the F-15C GE actually performed better than the German AESA Typhoon.
So…
Is it actually bad or just flown badly?
Im waiting for Jan 2026 data before I form an opinion. But its not the first time we’ve seen the US complain about a vehicle, only for another nation to do actually fine in it. @Beeschurger has recently taken to flying aircraft that people say are “really bad” on the forums and then proving them wrong.
The question isnt though “is the AESA Typhoon better” it probably is marginally better. The question is “is the difference between them great enough to justify a BR difference” and “is the F-15C GE notably stronger than the remaining 14.3s to require it to move up too”
F-15C GE vs M-Scan Typhoon or J-10C or F-18E for example would indicate that it should move up.
not as high and fast as a Su-30SM2 can launch R-77-1 or EFT with its AIM-120’s
thats the bare minimum for 14.3
doesnt really matter when the missiles are mediocre and the plane itself is also mediocre ingame
RWR doesnt work when turning so you have to level off to check and adjust which takes time and only makes the enemy get closer where they have even more of an advantage
you still need to turn well to notch and do basic maneuvers.
radar gimbal compared to many 14.3. probably has the worst RWR for 14.3 or one of them. bad ability to turn into a notch.
you can afford to get closer since you can turn in way quicker to notch.
if theres 3 guys that are well within LSZ, why would i only attack 1 when there is a risk of the kill getting taken and the other guys shooting tons of missiles at me
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Marginal?? better FP in every stat, same missiles better radar, better RWR and has MAW no shit it should be a higher BR what are you smoking
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i think its the other way around. more skilled players are going for the F-15C GE than German EFT since the other skilled players went for UK or Italy for their previously better typhoons
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bro would rather die that simply say the GE players are more skilled than the germans
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honestly thats a pretty fair match up barring the super hornet which really is just awful at 14.3
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What speed can you get up to in the F-15C GE?
So? M-Scan Typhoons to 14.0?
It has the same missiles as most top tier nations at the moment. Its far far worse if it had weaker missiles (FGR2 vs F-4S for example)
Is it though? That is the question here.
and, it seems perfectly capable of that, even yourself said that its possible to turn and defend with plenty of time.
that is just unfortunate that the US didnt build a gimball AESA. But does it really differ from the J-10C or Rafale that greatly?
Would need to check them all, but that sounds like hyperbole to me. Its looks perfectly average. No different to the Tornado iirc, and Ive never had much of an issue notching threats
Again, I dont see this as being an “end of the world” kinda situations. Ive notched plenty of times in something like the Tornado F3 at 20k ft and that aircraft hates turning at anything other than sea level.
I seriously doubt the F-15 turns worse than a Tornado.
So fire at 25km then.
If you can fire upon 1, then you can fire upon 3. Im not sure why that is different?
The tricky thing about the MM, is that Britain rarely faces the Rafale, Germany and Italy do. Its massively skews the data. Its the only logical explanation as to why the Britsih Typhoon for the past year was so consistantly performing so much better than the other 2 as I seriously doubt the LWS was doing much in ARB.
But the F-15C GE has performed better than the German AESA, about on-par with the Italian AESA and better or onpar with the respective M-Scan Typhoons
If it was performing so poorly, it should be like 0.9 K/D not 1.05.
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This is true
So, US is notably stronger = Fairer match up. Got it. 0 Surprise there
I believe the su30sm2 has a really bad rwr not being able to see anything above or underneath.
the SM2 and F-15GE would be even in speed if the SM2 didnt air spawn 300kph faster than the F-15
Wouldnt be surprised there either.
So Id call the F-15 RWR average
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Right, and that is a BS “balancing mechanic” we can all agree on.
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All Russian Su27-30 frames with L-150 radars have a bad vertical degree of coverage, and no maws(su30MKM is the only one that does, but it is in japan, so minorities have a jet)
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With the recent flanker fm buff, the su30sm2 is a lot better than the f15ge in BVR. I’ve noticed American players side climbing more and jumping in mid game since they can’t compete with the typhoons and sm2. Maybe with the f15ex coming soon American can compete in BVR again.
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I doubt it would make much of a difference.
Id say the change actually needed is fixing some of the outstanding bug reports for AMRAAM, but that would buff both the Typhoon and F-15. But would bring the AMRAAM better onpar with R-77-1 and MICA EM
True the thrust to weight ratio for the typhoon is still .2 more than the f15ex unfortunately.