US ground vehicle tree on top of the tree, needs a buff

[Morvran]

Haha, nice.

You’ve also got the Japanese variant they were/are working on too.

Was originally a co-development for the next gen Meteor. but its split into seperate projects.

[Morvran]

@KENO-

was never to point of my post in the first place and your point doesn’t counter it at all because the F-16 and Mig-29 were put at higher brs than all the other jets unlike the current top dogs

and, F-15E is a lower BR than the Typhoons, still got US mains complaining about F-15E vs Typhoon?

The difference in BR betwene F-16/Mig-29 vs Tornado F3/Viggen D was minimal for almsot the entire time.

Heck, in ASB they were the same BR

[KENO]

@Morvran_

and, F-15E is a lower BR than the Typhoons, still got US mains complaining about F-15E vs Typhoon?

Me when the plane thats worse in every stat is a lower br shocker

@Morvran_

The difference in BR betwene F-16/Mig-29 vs Tornado F3/Viggen D was minimal for almsot the entire time.

there was still a difference unlike today where they all sit at 14.3

[Morvran]

Right and its got a lower BR. So its balanced then.

Perfectly acceptable.

@KENO-

there was still a difference unlike today where they all sit at 14.3

They aren’t though, F-15E is 14.0.

Still see plenty of US mains moaning about the F-15E. Heck, for most of the 2025, thats all they moaned about.

[KENO]

yeah F-15E is perfectly fine were it is not exactly an own here

[CollectorOfSins]

Thing is, f15e is better than the f15cge if used properly.

[Morvran]

Maybe, AESA Supported AMRAAM actually works okay. Much more consistant hit rates than I was getting in the M-Scan Typhoon, even when supporting the shot till impact

I still think the biggest issue of the F-15 is the US mains beleiving that “Merica!” will protect them from being hit by ARH in return Ive yet to see a single F-15 player actually play smart.

Usually they charge down the centre of the map and eat missiles in seconds. Usually spamming missile way too far away and probably quite slow

[KENO]

what are you on about now, the F-15GE simply dosnt have the stats of the top 3 jets neither dose the su30SM or the J-10C or the Grippen-E, but people will come on here and fight against basic decompression if they think it will own the US player base

[miggle1]

a handful of these are “3 people on the forum say this, so all US mains believe it”

@Morvran_

But I cant wait for the “X US aircraft is misisng ASRAAM” threads

@Morvran_

So, “made in america, therefore its better”?

@Morvran_

And when US mains dont dominate every single match, they are unplayable and need massive buffs.

@Morvran_

the F-15s biggest issue is the idiot playerbase at the moment that is playing with their eyes closed half the time.

@Morvran_

By the sounds of the F-22 thread, they want F-22s with Aim-9X2, Aim-120D, HMD, be totally invisible to radar and just play like they were shooting fish in a barrel.

@Morvran_

I dont know why US need to be meta for top tier to be considered balanced?

@Morvran_

The US mains fought like crazy to deny the Typhoon being added, it was hilarious.

@Morvran_

This is Gaijin, they will probably bow to US mains complaining and it will get buffed

@Morvran_

Gunna hurt some US main feelings that think the earth revolves around the F-35, but its stupidly niche aircraft that is no where near as good as it should have been for how overpriced it was.

@Morvran_

And if the US aircraft was doing as well as the Rafale is, you would be saying its perfectly balanced

@Morvran_

are the US mains gunna stop complaining and demanding F-22s in OP configs?

@Morvran_

Hey, its true, you already have US mains claiming the ONLY F-35 that should get Meteor is the US one. God damn US mains are desperate to have better missiles

and finally

@Morvran_

Though Tpyical US main, attacking the person rather than actually coming up with a reasonable argument

[quartas121]

@Morvran_

I still think the biggest issue of the F-15 is the US mains beleiving that “Merica!” will protect them from being hit by ARH in return Ive yet to see a single F-15 player actually play smart.

the vast majority of BVR players, including US ones, in my lobbys notch at least the initial volleys. might have to play on easy mode EU servers if this is true.

at high altitudes the F-15’s dont pull hard enough to notch once missiles get within 16km especially if the missile was fired from a high and fast jet.

[Morvran]

Because as we have seen with M1A2 Sep V2 vs M1A2T. They’ve been complaining that the Abrams is “the worst MBT at top tier” for ages. But clearly its not.

I think half the reason the F-15C GE stats arent higher is the playerbase. Just likw how the German Typhoon is usually lower than the other 2.

[Morvran]

and all 3 of them have been in this thread arguing that US vehicles are always superior.

Though cheers for quoting me all the times I was right.

[quartas121]

objectively though what about the F-15C GE makes it as good as or better (in some respects) than other 14.3’s? they all outclass it in FM, defensive systems, armament, or all of them

[KENO]

Me talks about Air rb this guy brings up m1a2T, claims to not strawman ok dude

[실패는_성공의_어머니]

@Morvran_

This is Gaijin, they will probably bow to US mains complaining and it will get buffed.

I wish, I’m still patiently waiting for the Hellfire and Abrams fixes that was accepted years ago. :(

[Morvran]

@quartas121

the vast majority of BVR players, including US ones, in my lobbys notch at least the initial volleys. might have to play on easy mode EU servers if this is true.

Given I queue both servers, probably not.

@quartas121

at high altitudes the F-15’s dont pull hard enough to notch once missiles get within 16km especially if the missile was fired from a high and fast jet.

Not only does that sound like an extreme exergation, I see 3 obvious solutions.

1. Move the target to the edge of the radar screen early, that way you are already partially in the notch
2. maintain greater seperation, you are not required to be in the middle of the fight
3. Fly at lower Alts. You dont need to be at 30-35k ft like I see most F-15s pilots flying. Stick lower, like 20k ft.

[quartas121]

@Morvran_

Stick lower, like 20k ft.

yeah 5-7km is where i like to be

@Morvran_

maintain greater seperation, you are not required to be in the middle of the fight

how am i going to make sure my missiles actually hit? i typically launch at 35km max in good conditions

@Morvran_

Move the target to the edge of the radar screen early, that way you are already partially in the notch

this is solid advice, but it does limit your ability to ripple off multiple missiles

[miggle1]

I dont strawman → Ok yeah but I was right in strawmanning them

I’m gonna cut it off here because I don’t want to fight. You seem like a cool guy who knows a lot, but lay off the US main hate. I severely doubt you’d have the same attitude if the UK was in the same state of affairs.

Cheers to you as well. Have a great day.

[Morvran]

It has AESA.
It has large missile count
It can fire AMRAAM high and fast
It has a large CM suite
It has a perfectly good RWR

So it cant dogfight? So what? Its a BVR truck, dont try to dogfight in it.

Other than its gunfighting ability, give me one thing the F-15C GE does badly?

[Morvran]

@quartas121

how am i going to make sure my missiles actually hit? i typically launch at 35km max in good conditions

So, whats the issue? This is no different to me in my Typhoon. In fact, im usually more like 20-25km

@quartas121

this is solid advice, but it does limit your ability to ripple off multiple missiles

Why do you need to do that, focus one target at time, otherwise you are probably wasting missiles. I rarely engage more than 1 or maybe 2 targets at a time. I fired a 3 missile volley earlier today for the first time in weeks. But only killed one, the main and first guy I fired at the others just happened to be okay shots that I didnt expect to hit