@ULQ_LOVER
You’re supposed to use same ammo.
Cause my average KDR in medium tanks is 2:1.
My average in case-mate tank destroyers is 1.5:1 at best.
And yes, there needs to be decompression at 3.3
The SAV is known to be chronically average.
Also I amended the post as I see I’ve mistyped and fat fingered an M after 85.
Because?
You are comparing two vehicles so I have showed what they are capable when fighting each other. Not to mention that even in this comparison, Jagpdanzer IV is worse.
Could’t care really less, the argument about K/D was bad from the beginning.
Yes, JPZ4 is 0.3 BRs worse, and right now it sits 0.7BRs below.
Jagdpanzer IV has worse gun and armor, not to talk about mobility as I would need to check it.
It is fine at 4.3. If not, then M4A2 and KV-1E should go up.
Armor is similar, the only difference is the gun, which is marginal at best.
And I’m glad you agree that JPZ4, M4A2, and KV-1E need moved up.
It is really not as seen on the screanshoots.
Which is much better, can be seen on the screanshoots.
Nope. As I have said:
Next time please read before replying
What I have said is:
According to Your logic.
Nope, similar armor:
https://forum-en-cdn.warthunder.com/original/3X/e/a/ea15fcd66cee9470dfc933b1195b053cf779639b.jpeg
https://forum-en-cdn.warthunder.com/original/3X/c/d/cd28b7d155d7f8b44ee50ab69bf2e33887dddd27.jpeg
Glad you agree that the 85mm gun is superior.
If You are going to act like a blind person I won’t take You seriously. This screanshoots prove that the armor is not similar.
Never said otherwise? German 75mm is nothing special
„Anything on a Pz IV chassis“ and „fast“ don’t fit into the same sentence.
(Bear in mind, I’ve followed the discussion between yourself and Alvis up to the latest comment but felt this was a good place to weigh in)
It’s seems to me that any vehicle that stands out in any capacity is immediately branded as being overpowered (OP), as if to say that any vehcile that isn’t staggeringly mediocre must be reviewed and adjusted for balance.
I personally find the Jpz IV to be quite an effective tank and that the Hetzer is a great companion to it albeit it has a few more flaws.
Its obvious to me why people would be biased towards the Jpz IV, compared to all the rank II German vehicles, it has much greater protection at the front and is far more forgiving to the player than a Pz IV H, a Pz III M, or a Stug.
Comparitively, the Russian tech tree enjoys more protection prior to the Su-85 and SU-85Ms and have KV-1s with very sffective armour and T-34s with more effective armour than German medium tank contemporaries which could make the SU-85M armour seem lacklustre by comparison.
Thing is, there’s more than enough potential variety possible without facing vehicles that outclass your own in every way possible… we’ve got THOUSANDS of vehicles in War Thunder!
Not facing vehicles that render your own obsolete does not make “variety disappear”…
Tiger II, for example, would face more than enough variety via:
-IS-2 1944s
-T-44s
-T-44-100s
-T-44-122s
-IS-3s
-Object 248s
-Object 268s
-M51s
-M51 HVSSs
-T26E5s
-T26E1-1s
-M26s
-M46s
-M47s
-T32s
-T92s
-M56s
-M50s
-M41A1s
-FV4202s
-Centurion Mk.1s
-Centurion Mk.2s
-Centurion Mk.3s
-Caernarvons
-Tortosies
-Conways
-M109A1s
-FV4005s
-Charioteer Mk.VIIs
-Black Princes
-Ho-Ri Prototypes
-Ho-Ri Productions
-ST-A1s
-ST-A2s
-ST-A3s
-Type 61s
-Type 60 SPRG (C)s
-Type 60 ATMs
-Type 75s
-Type 99s
-Type 63s
-Type 62s
-PLZ83s
-PLZ05s
-AUBL-74s
-Fiat 6614s
-M26A1s
-C13 T90s
-ZSU-57-2s
-M109Gs
-AMX-M4s
-CA Lorraines
-ELC Bises
-AMX-13s
-AMX-13 (SS.11)s
-AuF1s
-AMX-10Ms
See? I would say that’s more than enough variety of vehicles it can face in fair and square conditions.
There is NO need whatsoever to assasinate it by forcing it to face:
-M48s
-M60s
-T-54s
-IS-6s
-IS-4Ms
-T32E1s
-M103s
-Conquerors
-Magach 1s
-Magach 2s
-All of the Cold War ATGM carriers which I can’t be bothered to recall or name.
The first list of vehicles DOES include downtiers and uptiers- except sensible enough to degrees where they have roughly equivalent capabilities.
The second list of vehicles includes opponents it is currently forced to face on full uptiers but which should never face, because they outclass it in every or most ways without having any disadvantages at all.
I could make the exact same kind of lists for 10.7s, 5.7s, 9.3s, etc…
We could decompress the game by a quite large margin, allowing for more than enough variety every match, without rendering vehicles pointless and utterly outclassed because they are facing opponents they shouldn’t ever face.
Thank you !!! Because the other guy asked what vehicles and i tried to list them (also the ATGMs) and i got nerdrage and ignored him instead.
Imagine you did that for Tiger 2 and company, there are other “how many” examples in Ground, and another how many examples in Air.
