An hour is a bit excessive
I think the better option is RB EC . Take sim. give it Realistic controls instead of full controls. Make it third person and give it GRB spotting system (friendly markers but no enemy markers) and you create the perfect PvPvE gamemode for those not wanting to play SB. Doesnt just help the ground attackers but also finally adds a decent gamemode for many fighters too
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Yeah, thats a case of its potential if its used purely as a fighter. 9Es probably wouldnt be too bad, but it does need to be overall considered and factored in
This way ppl who don’t have a ton of time to spare can still get in a match or 2, but if they find the time, can also enjoy more challenging gameplay
Keep the 15 min matches but give option for hour long stuff
Yeah, RB is great for the fast, quick and dirty furball gameplay. Pretty much the only time I play RB these days is where I have 10 minutes to kill and fancy a little war thunder.
At all other times, im in ASB because its just a better gamemode all round.
So both is definetly needed, but probably like Naval EC. They fear it killing off ARB and so wont add it properly
It’s not even good when used as a fighter though.
F-105D is kinda sorta usable but purely due to the gun an speed for its BR.
While F-111A doesn’t really have anything going for it offensively at 10.7
Well. let me put it this way. Im in my Hunter F6 at 9.7 and a F-111A comes dives in at me. All I can do is try and evade it as it hurls past me firing its huge amount of ammo or an Aim-9B at me. I evade, try to fire off an SRAAM but MAWS defeats that instantly. It runs away before I can get guns on. Repeat.
Its pure speed is certainly something that needs to be considered and given it can often beat most dedicated strike aircraft, even supersonic ones to a base, its pretty clear why its the BR it is. Easily beats things like a Jaguar.
The 9B are extremely easy to dodge.
The hunter can also probably dodge the guns, especially if the 111 is really going that fast.
And jaguar is 9.7, I am asking for 111A to get AIM-9E at 10.7, 9E aren’t exactly difficult to dodge either. It would at least make it a bit more usable against jets at its BR
Jaguar Gr1 with no CMs and weaker engines is 9.7.
jaguar Gr1A with CMs and the slightly better engines is 10.7
Looking at it purely as a ground attacker, its probably the strongest at 10.7 by no small margin.
Aim-9Es MIGHT be fine, but and I said this right when it was first added. It is probably better to limits its A2A ability, so that it can actually base bomb than to give it Aim-Es or Aim-9Js and it end up being a much higher BR. 10.7 is probably an ideal sweet spot for it. Only faces properly decent fighters like the Mig-23ML in full uptiers but more than likely encounters downtiers most often with things like F-5Cs very popular.
If it moved to 11.0 it would likely always face 12.0 uptiers and it would hurt it more than anything.
10.7 with 6x Aim-9Es MIGHT be fine. It might not. There is an arguemnt to limiting A2A performance for the sake of keeping a strike aircraft usable (I’d almost love to ditch the 9Ls on the Tornado for example to have it much lower in BR)
Fair enough. In my experience, 9E is like 9B with better reach. So it is still very easy to defeat but better against unaware targets and running targets. If it was 9J with all around better performance, then 11.0 would be justified but 9E is really just a more comfortable 9B, so I think if it did get them it’d be fine. Worst case, they limit to 4 9E
The two missile menace…
Thank you, I failed to mention this directly, but is also a great point. If you do somehow live long enough to get to a base, they will be destroyed by other aircraft long before you get there. I wish there was a way that I could play this plane in air RB and I understand that SB may be a better place, but SB scares me and every time I try to learn it I get killed right off the runway so I don’t really feel like I am getting anything out of it.
Good, that’s it. Where’s your real account dude? You said you also play French Premium, have you ever tried aircraft other than that abuser F-14A IRIAF?
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the world may never know
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When I try to play my Tornado as bomber in ARB, all …really all bases always getting bombed by much, much faster fighters. A Mig-21 with fire bombs easily burns down 2 bases. Same like a Tornado with full bomb loadout of MK1000’s. I’m not even talking about F-16 etc. There is no balance. There is no niche for fighter bombers. You can’t compete in pvp, cause you’re flying a bus with just two missiles. You can’t bomb bases, cause fighters with speed setups (low fuel settings etc) bomb everything before you even close in 10km.
Changes need to be made. I’m tired of ending every match without any income.
Guys stop being irrelevant. Is it an abuse to use a plane that’s in the game? The BR it came it is GJ’s problem. Decompression needed is GJ’s propblem.
Start asking the right things…
Stop that stupidity with accusations against players when the company that makes the game refuses to fix it. It was low , it went up. Now it’s one step but it’s too high because they didn’t take any measures before upranking it , simplest one and valid- it could carry 6xARH and all aspect IRs.
We are here accusing eachother … while the game overall needs decompression.
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We at gaijin hear you and understand-that is why we will be moving the j7d to 10.3 next br change with absolutely no explanation or justification
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It’s not even their fault at this point.
The players ask and push wrong things. Where are the decompression topics and suggestions?
No , we must write 30 posts about the plane we currently play and fail at because the opponent plays a better plane and he shouldn’t.
I made a poll on general.
Do you want decompression or not? Simple.
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Real life ?
If were talking about real life, F15 should be clapping cheeks of mig21s all day.
Warthunder is not realistic game nor simulation game.
You’re using 90s tanks against t90m tanks which made in 2018 and pantsirs shooting 80s-90s jets.
Even gaijin didn’t add every aircraft but if you’re adding f14 with arh missiles, it should be at the proper tier which is minimum of 13.0 at the moment.
good idea