Many strike aircraft will never be “good” in their intended role without giving them insanely low BRs that allow them to dominate in their un-intended role. There will always come a point where the inherrent flaws of ARB design, which is about as anti-strike aircraft/bomber as you can get will prevent those aircraft from performing all that well. SB has no such flaws and is why we need an RB EC gamemode for those that dont want to play SB.
Specifically looking at the A-7E it does look like it could go down when compared to a similar aircraft like the Jaguar Gr1A which is faster and turns slightly better but the A-7E does have twice the number of flares and a larger bomb load (note, I do not believe bomb load should matter, but it does to Gaijin annoyingly)
I think the lowest you could get the A-7E is maybe 10.0. But more likely 10.3 because it is a supersonic aircraft, with decent CM load and 2 decent rear-aspect IR missiles (Jaguar Gr1 with no flares is 9.7, so would be higher than 9.7).
edit: misread the stat card, its more comprable to the Harrier or Buc S2 if it had 9Gs. so 10.0 probably would be better
Would a drop like that help in base bombing? Not massively, F-111As, F-4s, F-5s, A-5s etc will still likely still get most of the bases before you get close and will you be truely comepitive against dedicated fighters like the F-5, F-4s, etc likely no.
So… that leads me back to my original point. When it comes to ground attack aircraft. SB or an SB like gamemode is by far the better choice
I think they are more concerned about the amount of score you can get IF you make it through and IF there are targets to bomb. Quite a few strike aircraft rarely make it to a base.
At times things like CMs, MAWS, missiles, etc do need to be considered within that context, but I think they care more about potentials rather than reality
Yes, the A-7D and A-7E should be at BR 10.0 in arb.
If possible, they should also add more bases and extend battle time like before.
If I’m not mistaken, back in 2015/2016 (I can’t remember exactly), each ARB battle used to last around 1 hour.
Yeah. The only reason I can think of for something like the F-111A to be stuck with AIM-9B at 10.7 is that it has a lot of CM for BR and a MAWS, while being fairly fast too. Should still get at least 9E but that’s how it is for now ig
I think the better option is RB EC . Take sim. give it Realistic controls instead of full controls. Make it third person and give it GRB spotting system (friendly markers but no enemy markers) and you create the perfect PvPvE gamemode for those not wanting to play SB. Doesnt just help the ground attackers but also finally adds a decent gamemode for many fighters too
Yeah, thats a case of its potential if its used purely as a fighter. 9Es probably wouldnt be too bad, but it does need to be overall considered and factored in
Yeah, RB is great for the fast, quick and dirty furball gameplay. Pretty much the only time I play RB these days is where I have 10 minutes to kill and fancy a little war thunder.
At all other times, im in ASB because its just a better gamemode all round.
So both is definetly needed, but probably like Naval EC. They fear it killing off ARB and so wont add it properly
Well. let me put it this way. Im in my Hunter F6 at 9.7 and a F-111A comes dives in at me. All I can do is try and evade it as it hurls past me firing its huge amount of ammo or an Aim-9B at me. I evade, try to fire off an SRAAM but MAWS defeats that instantly. It runs away before I can get guns on. Repeat.
Its pure speed is certainly something that needs to be considered and given it can often beat most dedicated strike aircraft, even supersonic ones to a base, its pretty clear why its the BR it is. Easily beats things like a Jaguar.
The hunter can also probably dodge the guns, especially if the 111 is really going that fast.
And jaguar is 9.7, I am asking for 111A to get AIM-9E at 10.7, 9E aren’t exactly difficult to dodge either. It would at least make it a bit more usable against jets at its BR
jaguar Gr1A with CMs and the slightly better engines is 10.7
Looking at it purely as a ground attacker, its probably the strongest at 10.7 by no small margin.
Aim-9Es MIGHT be fine, but and I said this right when it was first added. It is probably better to limits its A2A ability, so that it can actually base bomb than to give it Aim-Es or Aim-9Js and it end up being a much higher BR. 10.7 is probably an ideal sweet spot for it. Only faces properly decent fighters like the Mig-23ML in full uptiers but more than likely encounters downtiers most often with things like F-5Cs very popular.
If it moved to 11.0 it would likely always face 12.0 uptiers and it would hurt it more than anything.
10.7 with 6x Aim-9Es MIGHT be fine. It might not. There is an arguemnt to limiting A2A performance for the sake of keeping a strike aircraft usable (I’d almost love to ditch the 9Ls on the Tornado for example to have it much lower in BR)
Fair enough. In my experience, 9E is like 9B with better reach. So it is still very easy to defeat but better against unaware targets and running targets. If it was 9J with all around better performance, then 11.0 would be justified but 9E is really just a more comfortable 9B, so I think if it did get them it’d be fine. Worst case, they limit to 4 9E