Before today a frontal centermass APHE pen would kill most of the crew, but if you had two left the engine would still work. Now the engine’s dead too. Should be a significant improvement to frontal OSKs for a lot of US/GE/RU mid-tiers. Which is what players said they wanted. I’d just roll with it now. BRs will catch up eventually.
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I really hope something will be done against APHE, it was already the strongest shell, oneshooting most of vehicles, now it has cumulated the power of AP shell too… How will this balanced ? By increasing BR of all tanks using APHE ?
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All changes to the spikes are welcome but Spike ER still hasn’t received its 170mm Heat Warhead just like every other AGM in it’s category.(I don’t wanna wait another 9 months for a little change)
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/yf1zbdI5hKZX
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Yeah, I would keep reading: :)
- Dispersion fields from secondary fragments in AP caliber shells — the armor penetration of secondary fragments when a shell penetrates at the limits of its armor-piercing capabilities (for example, when a shell penetrates 284 mm of armor when its penetration capability is 286 mm penetration) has been increased. This means that in these cases secondary fragments will now penetrate more inside a tank and do more damage.
Looks like this is the counter-nerf to APHE they went with then. (And yes, they added this part after the initial post this morning, which is interesting.)
Buff other shells? - No
Cry about oneshots with APHE? - Absolutely!
You already started following the gaijin’s plot to question the even more busted shell balance, sadly it all goes in the wrong direction.
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I dont get it, people speak of an significant aphe buff… its not… u catch an aphe, ure dead…same old story… thats no difference now… jea a small buff… but lets be honest… at the br aühe plays, almost every tank fires it anyways so there not a big change.
And at the end… people voted against making APHE more realistic and therefore less lethal as they are currently ingame… so deal with it… i just wished they would have jist done the rework without asking… who the hell ask for a community feedback? As if the community knows best… lol … they dont!
Community wanted strong cas, helis and all that crap p2w shit aswell… did it improved the game? Hell no! Community lobed broken op stuff… thats what they want and thats what they get.
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What do you mean ? I’m not following the plot, I would like that explosive damage was reduced in APHE, even if it will reduce effiency of my “rape setup” with Russian T34s…
The funny part is, their goofing around in public statements on this has given players a permanent veto over one and only one kind of change: APHE reworks. Anything else they can do except that one thing to change the game without passing a majority player vote.
If you have scarce dev resources that’s the last thing you are going to assign them to now. So that’s the one feature, in all of War Thunder, that’s probsbly been permalocked. Everything else needs now to rotate around that one fixed point in possibility space. Hence the buff to AP they snuck into the announcement a few minutes ago. :)
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The ZT3A2 getting its own firing sound is interesting because it’s basically useless lmao
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The “No” vote won and they still said they would test it so he’s right. They absolutely didn’t listen to the player base.
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To be fair, as usual Gaijin can not sum up things clearly, do a TLDR, so the initial post was confusing with a lot of text, it took me time to figure out if it was a buff or a nerf… A version of the article and survey with “keep it as it is with big HE damage and shell disapearing at explosion” or “reduce HE damage but model the shell warhead after explosion” could have done different results.
Basically just a car with a cool sound system at this point lol.
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You mean people that didn’t know they were voting against free food due to content creators lying about the thing they were voting on.
They do listen, no matter how many lies are in your posts saying otherwise.
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still hurts my head to this day people wanted to keep the aphe as it was? It would have affected mainly low he filler rounds such as the panthers 75 meaning it would have acted as a slightly better solid shot. What people didnt realise is that nuke rounds such as the italian 90mm would still one shot due to overpressure, meaning big aphe firing guns with long reloads would have still been in a good place.
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One Russian content creator told players to vote against it. Meanwhile nearly every EN content creator came out for it despite their comment section being against it. And then, after the “no” vote came out as the majority, they elected to instead go with the lower 48% and will work the test in at a later time. That, just by definition, is not listening. At least not to the majority.
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Because we just don’t think it needs a rework period. I certainly don’t want any change to it.
Ignoring 48% of the player base is asinine. They’re doing the right thing. Especially when most of the players fell victim to YouTube fear mongering “oh no this will destroy the us tech tree”
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No, they’re not doing the right thing. Sometimes votes are close but a loss is still a loss. That should have been the end of it there.
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Many of us pointed out at the time that was never an option on the table, ever. So now we’ve got the APHE buff and veto on any future rework people voted for. Now we move on to the resulting balance changes. A lot of the APHE trucks will float up a notch in BR now and it’ll be over.
The improvements to post-pen AP today were literally the only option players left to them to keep things a little balanced. Good to see them enacted.
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As a lot of us said at the time, they were so convinced people would see keeping APHE balanced after today’s buff as so obviously a good thing they didn’t think through what would happen when they lost the poll approving their proposal for how to nerf it back. Then they compounded that mistake by promising players a majority-vote veto on any future APHE change. I will be very surprised personally if they come back to this again any time soon.
To be fair, in the original article the pictures are quite clear about how doing today’s post pen change with no counter would be a buff. But yeah, this was all handled really badly.
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