The latest War Thunder “Leviathans” update has brought a slew of new vehicles, naval expansions, and gameplay changes but it has also highlighted a glaring imbalance in anti-air additions. While nations like Sweden (which already had the ItO 90M ) received further AA upgrades, Britain and Italy were once again left without any meaningful AA additions. This just widens the gap between nations that receive strong AA and those that desperately need it. Nations like Britain and Italy are forced to rely on outdated AA , making them easy prey for CAS, and if you enjoy SPAA gameplay, you are forced to play a new nation.
Adding on to this, it is not even as if there is a lack of options.
If the issue is the Sky Sabre’s CAMM-ER range of 45km , We could’ve received the CAMM with a 20km range as a stop gap before next update.
Being stuck with an SPAA that has an effective range of 10km, Against the new AA just makes it utterly useless. There is literally no reason playing British or Italian SPAA for next 4 months. And if the user enjoys SPAA gameplay, they either need to just bite the bullet and grind a new nation, or wait out 4 months, for what reason?
How hard would it be to add a stop gap? Or stop modelling useless premiums as a cash grab, and model a competent AA for every nation during a major update, ensuring every nation is fun to play…
They use Spyder MR, which is a multi vehicle system that would require a different model to AIO (and more than one of them), but it can also fire different missiles to AIO (Derby-SR/ER vs Derby-MR as an example).
With that aside though, there is still no reason for Gaijin to spend their times modelling premiums instead of competent AA for these nations as a priority. The game shouldn’t be unenjoyable because you chose to play a particular nation
No problem, from what I understand, AIO is still in the trails / test stage, it was not that long ago it only existed as toy models lol, so right now only ISR are in possession of it.
The Spyder MR India has might also be a bit too much for the game, I believe that thing has upwards of 80km range iirc.
Oh for sure, I don’t think anyone of objective mind would see the current state of UK/ITA top tier AA as being anything less than awful.
I’d say the only country who is currently worse off than them two is ISR, but of course AIO will take them from the worst to one of the best.
I play all three of these countries, so I can only hope UK/ITA’s (and I suppose France now too) get AA’s as priority in the next update, but it really is a shame they’re going to have to be stuck in their current state until September.
If nothing else, at least with many countries getting a new AA, countries like ITA/UK tank gameplay should be a bit better, simply by virtue of existing under an improved AA umbrella of their team mates, but I fully understand how me saying this can feel like just a bitter consolation to UK/ITA mains at best.
Yep , it’s ashame, I love anti air gameplay so much, it’s literally the only reason I did Russian ground.
I just think it is such a poor misjudgement to make some nations quite literally unplayable. Like, I love anti air gameplay, but after this update I am forced not to play Britain? Which is a tree I absolutely love. I just think that is completely nonsensical and should be prioritised instead of spending time modelling things like the RAH66
Being under the umbrella of teammates is also a double edged sword, Whilst you’ll be safe from CAS. It makes your own anti air completely pointless, there would be almost no chance of getting a kill with the massive gap in range coming after this update.
The issue is Gaijin knows shafting nations like Britain won’t effect them. As long as they appease the players with the most purchasing power, (American) Then monetarily they won’t loose out. American mains complained about ADAT’s, and they give Gaijin a lot of money, so they are appeased straight away. British mains complain about ADAT’s , but don’t make up enough of the money flowing into Gaijin’s pockets, so they can wait 4 months.
germany is actually the most wallet warrior esque nation. the most common tank is turm 3 after all.
britain is 5% of the total playerbase but a small group of us on the forum did twist the arm of gaijin with the harrier T10 to get it two BOL pods. most of the time they don’t care but us brit mains have our ways at times
Whilst Germany might be the most wallet warrior esque, as a nation. I do believe it is the American playerbase, and American vehicles that take the no1 spot for revenue
Also, whilst we can have small wins like the BOL pods. Having our anti air completely shafted yet again, is ridiculous, I mean we now have 40km SPAA systems whilst we are on an ADATs, added in 2019, with 10km of effective range
CAS at top tier has completely power crept anything we have now, and I’m gonna bet these new systems too. The best SPAA now and probably after the patch is just gonna be CAP.
SPAA at top tier is horrendously unrewarding and boring gameplay. You are just food for tanks, and you are food for good CAS players. You have matches where you sit and see virtually nothing all game, matches were you die within 1 minute of spawning to a tank, matches where you run into CAS that knows what they are doing and you only option is to hide from them, yes even in pantsir, and probably in these new ones too. Matches were you spawn in as the only SPAA then 1 minute later half your team dies and spawns SPAA too.
The only SPAA that is somewhat enjoyable to play are stuff like the gepards, chieftan, early ZSU, 2s6, stuff that can actually hold their own against ground vics, have good mobility, and fight planes they have some parity with capability wise.
I guarantee you the experience most people are gonna have in these new SPAA is just playing a horror game where you have to hide from everyone on the ground, while also praying the planes that spawn are piloted by 11 year old console players and they don’t just pop up for 2 seconds to sling a salvo of missiles at you and disappear or dance outside your effective range while raping your whole team.
CAS at 12.0+ is like playing WW2 BRs again, every match I pretty much die once to CAS. Playing at like 8.0-11.0 is a dream, maybe I die to CAS like 1 out of 5 games there. I hope the new SPAA changes that, but I really doubt it.
If they want to reign in CAS they need to make CAP cheaper to spawn, you can say that well everyone will be in planes and the ground game will suffer, but people sitting in these newer SAM systems are basically deadweight in terms of that as well. I’ve seen so many games go to hell after like 4-5 players on our team decide to spawn SPAA all at once and sit in or near spawn while we lose all the caps and lose all space on the map and it ends up with them all dying to spawn campers.
Tbh, in cases like this, I would have no issue with them placeholding vehicles.
Give Italy and Britain the American Humvee thing as a placeholder until their new vehicles are ready. They can be swapped out on a like for like basis when released with the equivalent research and module rp applied to the new vehicles.
The adats, especially after it was recently neutered by not being able to see the missile after 4km just isn’t cutting it and something as important as the ability to defend against CAS is just too important to be left behind in.
Exactly, it’s extremely disappointing that Britain and Italy, especially Italy, the nation in the most dire need of a new SPAA. Was skipped in the main SPAA update and forced to wait another 4 months. It makes no sense and is very underwhelming
Whilst I agree that CAS may still reign supreme over the new SPAA, some players, including me, prefer to play SPAA over other vehicle types in games. However, the fact CAS is so good, doesn’t mean that Gaijin should just “give up” on adding SPAA systems to nations that desperately need it this update, in any case it should be the opposite, they should at the very least receive a place holder.
dont forget france is also stuck with the ITO, sure its one of the best nato sams currently, but it’ll be pretty much outclassed by everything in 2 weeks (except the Adats and Oto that is)
Absurd,Italy could have the GRIFO with the CAAM-ER missile,the MAADS System with the CAAM-ER , The MAADS with the ASPIDE missile,the SPADA,the SAMP-T, The ASTER 15/30,instead we are stuck with the Otomatic
I completely understand that you feel left behind and even though I love the OTOMATIC it’s very lackluster in the current top tier environment and it should be lowered in BR, but I digress.
On the bright side, with 5 nations receiving powerful SPAA it should be easier to snug under the protective umbrella of these nations while playing Italy or Britain.
Not the best scenario, but at least the Pantsir is no longer the only viable top tier SPAA.
I just tested the IRIS-T SLM on the dev server and I’d be happy to keep my fellow Italians snd Brits safe from those nasty Su-30 and Su-34s 😀
Yeah. CAMM is also for the brits with land ceptor.
It’s… a bizarre decision. I’d much rather they didnt’ bother with the badger and worked on land ceptor instead, or some premium plane was scrapped for the italians to get a decent top tier spaa as well.
As I said before, the adats ain’t cutting it, especially after it’s recent nerfs, and it really, really sucks to be left out.
Issue is, although we will be safe from CAS. Britain and Italy will literally be unable to play SPAA, People whom enjoy SPAA gameplay will be completely shafted for the next 4 months unless they bite the bullet and change nation. It’s just incredibly poor from Gaijin
France and sweden use the Ito which is the best NATO spaa but neither nations will receive spaa that are better than the Ito as far as we know for now.
SLAMRAAM can go to the US and Sweden but thats the only other nation that can get SLAMRAAM but i doubt gaijin will add SLAMRAAM to anyone else.