Unbalancing the Skies: The Controversy Surrounding Pantsir S1 in War Thunder

What? CAS requires way more skill than pressing “lock” and “fire missile” multiple times until everything in the sky is gone lol.

Judging by your playercard, you don’t use top tier multirole fighters in ground rb, and you only mostly play Russia at higher tiers (shock!) so you don’t even have to fight against the Pantsir…

And it does not matter that i play russia as its everyone vs everyone anyway!!!

also what multirole fighters gajin refuse to add smt its thermal pod aswell su-25t does not get its own thermal pod we are finally getting First let me state it again FIRST thermal sight in russian cas

I wish. It’s less than 1 in 5 matches where Russia faces Russia at top tier.

The SMT is a 12.7 fighter with a2g ordnance. It’s multirole.
I agree they should give it a targeting pod, but Russian CAS is not exactly something which is struggling.

No, it definitely isn’t without all the Frogfoots they have access to, not to mention how OP they are with that busted DM.

Not to mention that Kamovs are even more OP now thanks to the changes made inorder to actually kill it.

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Um… this isn’t proof of “Russian bias” Pantsir is equivalent to ITO-90M and TOR-M1.

And no, having OP CAS is unbalanced, having Pantsir, ITO-90M, and TOR-M1 brings balance.

@GNDM_Panzer
Su-25 and A-10’s damage models are fine. They aren’t OP, both are known for their survival rate against manpads at minimum.

No changes have been made to Kamovs other than they’re easier to kill than 6 months prior.

@UnHolySausage
There’s no need to have posts containing gaslight statements in them.
Passion is valuable, and one should avoid attacking the people behind the post.

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My Bad there, but when someone refuses to act accoridingly to the guidelines and acts like an entittled child who believes is correct in making fun off people pisses me off

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Mongaroth is the one attacking people, by saying it’s just skill issue if you get killed by an OP SPAA.

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Mongaroth it’s acting like 12 y/o and that’s what it is he believes he can attack people and get off with it instead of having a proper argument with them

Well his posts shouldn’t have attacks either.
However, it is largely a knowledge issue if you’re getting killed by Pantsir, ITO-90M, or TOR-M1.

literally playing against them as top tier is everyone vs everyone so yes it is skill issue if i can survive them in su25t

take a clip of it then i cant just blindly believe in what you say like if a missile the size of half a truck wasnt able to kill a plane

Their game mechanics almost always favor RU vs NATO. From AA doctrine: only TELAR systems, to map design: brawl heavy because gotta capture zone instead of hull down, to HEAT vs HE damage system: the reason why 50kg+ TNT equivalent Maverick does NOTHING while KH missile from SU25 kills tanks when they sometimes land next to it not on top of it.

Also the double standard: RU gets good SPAA and heli because they “invested” in them. Yet say US heavily invested in air superiority. Oops, can’t give US JDAM or other munitions cause OP. Double standard at its finest.

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Can’t get ARM can’t get Longbow Hellfire etc because (too advanced for the game BS reason) you gonna admit gaijin are PSY about this

ah yes stop coping about 114l immune to smokes immune to fucking anything except hard cover and also fire and forget without needing to show any part of the helicopter think why they do not want to add it

Solution: give USA a pantisr equivalent or remove the pantsir.

It’s OP

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I continue to have problems with the Pantsir. I can’t engage in FOX3 combat against other Russian aircraft because of the Pantsir and the extremely small maps. At a distance of 15KM, I already receive a warning to return to the battlefield, considering that the Pantsir’s range radius is 20KM. In conclusion, I spotted a Russian plane in the sky but was shot down by a Pantsir at an altitude of 10KM…

Your first mistake was flying up high in ground rb, fly lower, you can still do fox 3 fights.

What do you mean by the first mistake being flying high? You’ll die the same way whether you fly high or low against this damn cancerous thing. I’ve tried various strategies. The Pantsir killed me 2 meters off the ground. Not to mention the speed of the Pantsir missile, which is extremely fast. It gains infinite speed even while climbing; it seems like there’s no physics for the Russian missile. Almost reaching Mach 4 while climbing, that doesn’t exist.