Ah yes, entire world tech tree
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Your unique list is not complete, it can increase on average by 30%-40% If you do not add ala copies or weakened copies
Well, there are T-54 and Type-59 as in the case with China!
Regarding the history of Ukraine, there are many more years than you might think! In the 17th century, the term “Ukraine” began to be used already in the documents of that time.
Later, in the 18th century, the term “Ukraine” appears on cartographic materials.
Therefore, your comparison is not correct. You cannot compare countries in this way.
I also emphasize that the USSR is a “union” of states and most of the tanks were invented in different countries of the union by different designers.
If you look at it from this point of view, then 3/5 of these tanks are not “Russian”
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This might be a simple fix. Were any aircraft manufacturered in Ukraine when it was a satellite state of the USSR? Even down to WW2? We have many soviet tanks that were made in Ukraine during WW2
And give people more of a reason to call it copy and paste? Good one lol
I compare them by geolocation 🙃
+1 I’d like to see the ground and air tree’s someday in the far future
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Thats the solution or there isnt one at all and or it starts at Tier 3 like Israel
Itd also by far not be the most copy and paste. Heck, we could even remove some stuff from the Russian Fed tree, as has also been done when new trees are added
Were far far beyond the “copy and paste” is bad mentality. Gaijin never put a stop to it. What you have to look at are the pros vs cons, theres far more interesting things the Ukraine tree would add than not. And whos to say it even needs an Air tree, a Ground and Heli tree would be interesting and fine to start
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It’s the USSR, so no, you’d be removing Soviet equipment from the Soviet tech tree. So that’s a no go.
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The air tree is so tiny it is not even a real tree
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So long as it starts at 7Br I dont care.I wont have to endure the cut n paste.As I said before ,I dont feel we need any new nations.I dont know why a moderator needed to sweep in and remove my opinion.
Just experimenting. I have a little time and have been working on a separate Independent version which will be updated at the beginning of the post, this Polish-Ukrainian tree, and another version (in-all 3 versions), just thought I’d share this for fun. Far from complete. This is a Polish-Ukrainian Tree with ranks 1-3 in progress as well as Rank 4-8 being touched up. The idea was created due to feedback, Ukraine using a lot of Polish equipment, very close relations, as well as had multiple military projects with one another. More notes can be found on the bottom.
Disclaimer: Respectfully critique it and just be fair to one another. Not asking for a lot. If you have legitimate ideas for correcting parts of it or provide a respectful reason why you don’t like it, I’m all ears.
Edit: Disregard the images not lining up, I’ll fix that later.
Additional Notes:
- Several other variants and vehicles can be added like the T-64E, Polish prototypes, etc.
- Poland does have an issue in filling out early ranks in which Ukraine cannot help all to much with the exception of the T-12 and T-24. Technically BT’s and T-34(76)'s can be added as well.
- A lot of stuff is foldered together to prevent having to struggle researching the tree; if I share the version that has foldered vehicles collapse, it’s a lot easier to research.
- Bayaktar TB2 can be used as the strike drone for both Ukraine and Poland, as both country’s use it.
- Poland and Ukraine’s helicopters and air equipment would support one another effectively with the cap being the AH-64E and F-16C/F-35A/FA-50PL respectively.
- A lot of Soviet-era equipment was used by both the People’s Republic of Poland and several Soviet-Ukrainian brigades.
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poland is good enough as a stand alone tree, they dont need the addition of ukraine, besides that the leopard 2plM1 would be the exact same as the already existing 2pl in the game ," the upgrades were implementation PIX function, introduction function selection the last or first echo the laser range, introduction automatic system extinguishing fire fighting in compartment APU, Introduction system cold start to the engine without restart electronics devices, micro charging battery in battle tank during storage, electronics compartment active cooling, preparation electrical installation for identification Friend or Foe." which makes them the exact same as the current one for in game purposes at 11.3 The Dead District: Poland unveiled for the first time the Leopard-2PLM1 (a upgraded version of Leopard-2PL)
what even is the 2a5plm1 , that one doesnt even exist as far as i am aware, if you dont mean the standard 2pl which isnt a 2a5 or just the plain 2a5 poland owns
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I appreciate the input and don’t take this the wrong way. Poland does not have the full capability to have its own tree. This was trialed and proven many times by myself and some members who had created the Visegrad Tree. There are trees such as Pik’s who had built a good one, however, when you broke down the armaments and armor of the vehicles, they were placed in the wrong Ranks/over extended to fill gaps. Poland shines the best at Rank 1-2 and Rank 6-8. While they have many vehicles scattered throughout most Ranks, some Ranks are empty or with one vehicle. Poland would have to be attached to another nation or Poland having a sub-tree of it’s own. I am a very strong advocate for a Polish tree and did what I could to make its own tree but it only goes so far. I’ve created a Polish Tree and a Polish Sub-tree (and multiple other nation trees) before, rearranged it with multiple inputs that struggled to have a balanced/complete tree. As for this project, this was just an experiment due to Ukraine and Poland working on multiple projects as well as Ukraine utilizing much of Poland’s equipment. It’s not a final say whatsoever. Not to mention its not complete anyway.
As for the Leopard 2PL (M1) it was added like that to offer the use of either one since as stated, there isn’t much of a difference. The BR was changed to add modern ammo for the PL.
The Leopard 2A5PL M1 is a Polish modernization of the Leopard 2A5 in service with Polish Ground Forces that focuses on firepower and survivability. The vehicle itself remains relatively the same as it’s predecessor, maintaining the same propulsion systems with no major changes to the hull. The main focus was the upgrade of the Gunner’s optics, replacing the previous sight in the EMES-15 fire control system with the indigenous KLW-1 Asteria 3rd-generation thermal camera that operates in 7,7-9,3 μm – MCT detector of III generation, screen resolution 640×512 pixels and the addition of a fully-stabilized ZSMU-1276A3B Remote Weapon Station armed with a 12.7mm WKM-B Heavy Machine Gun. The remote weapon station is equipped with a day sight, thermal camera, and six GAK-81 81mm smoke grenade launchers.
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I don’t really see how Poland is any worse than other options such as Yugoslavia while I also think it’s better than most Israeli style tree.
Considering you support the idea of Yugoslavia but mot independent Poland, what is the dealbreaker there?
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Its the ability to balance the equipment evenly through multiple Ranks. Yugoslavia is weak in some areas, however, equipment can be balanced more evenly in terms of armament, etc. than what Poland can do. I’d like to use my Visegrad tree as an example which if you pick out the Polish vehicles, gives you an idea of what it has available.
I guess that is a fair point, but wouldn’t Poland be very workable in an independent Israeli-style?
It would be an huge waste of the low tier, but it would make the tree strong in the areas that seem most relevant for the game these days.
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generaly it still is a bad idea, if you want to increase their br only for ammo purposes, the real 12.0 vehicles will have better armor while also have the equivalent thermals and the same rounds, generaly the pl variants have no place at 12.0
Poland struggles at Rank 4 and 5. Specifically Rank 4 would struggle hard without a massive influx of copy and paste and even then its gapped pretty good. I’ve tried it when I was building a tree to post in Pik’s Poland tree suggestion. It would be best starting later at Rank 6.
Edit: Clarified 2 posts down.
The PL remains pretty potent with its very tough turret (in a lot of cases). It has similar use to the playstyle of the Abrams and it’s weak LFP. Given the PL has Gen III thermals and if it had its better round, it would excel pretty well. Each vehicle has other significant differences but I’m focusing on the overall playstyle.
As for the tree, I appreciate inputs, it was just an experiment is all.