I could’ve worded that a bit better. Poland wouldn’t succeed all too well at Rank 4 with the copy and paste. It would be a more diversity than Israel (an extra vehicle or two) in comparison but the main difference between the two would be large BR gaps in the Polish tree. You’ve got T-34-85, the Polish M1/M2 variants, ASU-85, BWP-1, IS-2, 2S1 Gvozdika, the Hibernyt would be your starting AA, the Krak afterward, and that’s the gist of it.
Rank 5 you can have the BWP-1M Puma, the M120 Rak(G), the T-54, T-54AM, IS-3, ZSU-57-2, OT-64 SKOT-2AM, Dana’s and not much more. It may sound like a lot but if you put this on a visual, its pretty bare. Rank 3 has like 6 vehicles total.
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besides that i think you are overestimating dm63, dm63 performs the same as dm 53 it only got better temperature range and was less prone to exploding it i think, thats why its original name is dm53a1 as well since it is only an minor upgrade. Only DM73 is an actual upgrade but requires the l55a1 to be fired. Those the DM63 arguably is to weak for 12.0 as well
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That’s a fair argument, the PL could sit at 11.7 (with its better round) with the only other vehicles exceeding that are the K2PL and M1A2 SEPv3 (which I haven’t added specifically).
poland got m1a2 sep 2 as well, to start training, should be useable as well, since hungary tree got the 2a4 which was for training as well
Absolutely. I had them in mind, I just didn’t want to oversaturate things since there was several Leopard’s in the tree, the M1A1 FEP, and the BM-Oplot. I’ll see what I can do.
Edit: I think I’m going to struggle pretty good with Ranks 1-3 in my Polish-Ukrainian experiment. We’ll see.
Poland and Ukraine makes less sense -1. Keep the research trees together, Nobody is trying to grind two different nations just to go on to the next T-64 modification.
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I respect that stance.
To me, Poland and Ukraine have a legitimate strong connection however, there are also other opportunities for Poland and this was just an experiment and I don’t foresee this happening. I’m also not advocating for it, just testing.
I also don’t know what you mean on going to the next T-64 modification. In all the tree is split between the two nations with many of the well requested vehicles in them.
My points of creating this tree:
- They’re both heavy users of Soviet equipment and meld well together because of this.
- They both have strong arms industries that coordinate with one another like the PT-16/17, ERA, missiles, etc.
- Ukraine is a heavy user of Polish equipment that it has received through purchases and donations.
- Finding alternatives for both Poland and Ukraine which both suffer from similar issues.
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thats not exactly true, polish arms industry is rather bad, thats why they buy foreign equipment and went with k2 because of the chance to produce them at their own country since germany denied that possibility with the leopard
I use the word ‘strong’ in the sense that they actively are coming out with upgrades/producing, equipment, vehicles, etc. unlike many nations who can only purchase through foreign sales. Many nations don’t have an arms industry at all.
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This is an interesting concept of the Polish-Ukrainian tree:
-Poland can give vehicle 1 and 2 of the tree although vehicles 4 can complement the tree of Ukraine although it is not bad.
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Poland could strengthen the Ukrainian aviation tree with planes 1 and 2 of the tree. 3 will be a copy and so is the 4th armored tree.
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Strong coastal fleet tree for Poland and Ukraine! Ukraine used the captured monitors and ships in Poland in 1939. A good example of the Kraków monitor, its modifications and its service until the 1941 war.
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No matter how you look at it, there is cooperation in drones, helicopters, military planes between Poland and Ukraine, and the latest one is that Poland will technically service and repair Ukrainian F-16s and make modifications.
-In addition, after 2015-2022, Ukraine purchased BWP-1 and 2S1 Gvozdika produced in Poland
-Oncilla is an armored car produced by the Mista company from Polish Stalowa Wola for Ukraine Army.
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I’m just not sure it will be a worthwhile addition over the normal UA tree as proposed…
It doesn’t really solve any of the issues for the Air or Ground trees as the very thing that ties them so close together (Post-Soviet Statehood) means that they don’t have lower-tier additions unless we start taking away from the USSR Tree.
(The Proposed “USSR-Until-1991” suggestion is still the best I have seen, with the ability to play the Russian Federation, Ukraine, etc afterwards)
Also, it does take away quite a bit of Ukrainian vehicles… I do understand it is WIP, though
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Yeah it was far from done but I didn’t like how it was turning up as I got to lower ranks. It was mainly just an experiment to see what I can do with incorporating Ukraine with another nation hypothetically. Especially since Ukraine utilizes a lot of Polish equipment.
I really like how Blast made a visual for multiple nation selection. I wrote it up on the old forum and as well as reposted it on this forum but I’m not great with imaging software so I just left it on its own, so I appreciate someone making the visual and taking the idea a step further. I’m currently working on a tech tree representation of the idea for each nation which I will share as I get time back.
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What could also be possible make a Polish + Czechoslovakia mix TT (even though both nation could be a seperate TT) and Ukraine could be a sub-TT to them.
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Already in soviet union
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Praga that should have been there as Russia had 0 shits to do with that vehicle. They should have never got it
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and ?
Neither Czechoslovakia nor it’s successor states are formally part of the Soviet tree.
Yes, there are a few (post-) Czechoslovak vehicles in the Soviet tree, but that does not make Czechoslovakia a part of the USSR in game.
Until there is a formal announcement of something like a Czechoslovak sub-tree it is not considered part of any nation already in game and thus it’s future is left ambiguous rather than being set.
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Actually, this makes sense. A Ukrainian tree with a branch for Poland, or vice versa. These countries are neighbors. Both extensively used Soviet technology in the past. Both were influenced by the Soviet Union. Now they collaborate in the production of technology. They have jointly produced tanks. However, in my opinion, there should still be a main nation with its flag in the setup menu.
Nevertheless, I still adhere to the thought and idea that I expressed earlier about splitting the Soviet tree into Ukrainian and Russian.
In my view, it would be more historically accurate. After all, Poland and Ukraine are different countries that were never part of each other. Ukraine was part of the USSR. Placing Ukraine in the Soviet tree, in my opinion, is not advisable because Ukraine has too many of its own technological developments. At the same time, Russia has its modern technology. All of this together simply won’t fit into one tree. Moreover, Ukraine is a young state (in its modern state), and the USSR no longer exists. Playing with modern tanks under the flag of a country that only had non-modernized T-80s at most is a bit unhistorical.
So, it seems to me that a split tree of the Soviet Union into Ukrainian and Russian makes sense. And I see Poland as a separate nation with the Czech Republic as a branch of Poland. Or vice versa…
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Another T-64 modification was shown by Military Television of Ukraine: T-64BV 1K zr. 2022
Changes:
- thorough modernization of base tank
- new sights and targeting systems
- improved armor
- fuel tank protection
- NSVT 12.7mm machine gun
- new digital radio communication systems with operating range up to 500 km
- 840hp engine (5TDFM?)
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No its not, unless youre saying modern T-80s are soviet, the 2s38 is soviet, the 2S25 is soviet, Pantsir is soviet…Its no longer the soviet tree once they went post 1991, unless youre suggesting the soviet union still exists…