Sure, it’s an option as I had posted a tree earlier. Specifically for this tree, that’s why I had previously stated that the Leopard would be the only one. The Leopard is one of the most exported MBT’s in the world and its given to see it all over the place, as well as there are multiple variants of the Leopard-series that Ukraine uses, spanning from Rank VI to Rank VIII so it’s significantly easier to use that within the tree alongside Ukrainian developments like the T-84-series. Having just those two MBT-families keeps it more focused without drawing too much attention away from other nations. There’s nothing wrong with having a set of Leopard’s in the tree.
When we see nations like Poland, you’re going to have T-series derivatives, Abrams variants, Leopard 2 variants, and the K2 Black Panther which contains more foreign MBT’s than this tree would considering this tree would only have the Leopard 2’s and the T-84’s (for what I’m trying to do with it).
i mean , Russian vehicles are under the USSR tech tree too, same will go for the Ukranian ones. Operator country: Russia Research Country: USSR , and the same will be for Ukraine, Operator country: Ukraine Research Country: USSR. same goes for east German vehicles in German tree , same went for Indian vehicles in UK tree and even China and Taiwan and are in the same tree lmao . the “donated” Western vehicles to Ukraine could be used to fill gaps in other tech trees as premiums or event vehicles.
Donated vehicles fully deserved the right to be in Ukrainian tree, as many of those actually saw real combat in the last two years, unlike the vehicles in the trees where they originated.
Also it’s impossible to avoid Ukraine as one of the nations in the game if War Thunder strives to fully cover modern military and combat.
ps: what’s up with the sudden influx of RU forum lurkers with 1 comment in post history? Just joined the international forum and this is the first thread where you landed? FYI this thread is about independent Ukrainian tree, not about “USSR tree”, so please post your irrelevant offtopic elsewhere.
i don’t see how my post history or forum history is related to voicing my opinion on the matter. an Independent Ukraine tech tree is as viable as a Russian Federation tree and i tell you , you will not see either because both countries have deep roots in USSR. The thing you all do here is some fantasy play dreaming about something that will bring nothing of value to the game. What is the purpose of grinding USA ,Germany or Russia for specific vehicles if you can find something of each in a Ukrainian tech tree defeats the purpose of each tree offering something unique and bringing different play styles.
Im not against Ukraine in game ofc ,they got some interesting modifications of certain vehicles, but it’s gonna be a sub-tree most realistically. Come at me with concrete details and topics not just bashing my opinion away as if i would be biased. and why exactly "Operator country: Ukraine Research Country: USSR " wont ever happen? you know this 100%? :) for example the fact that the T-64 is in the USSR tech tree , a tank developed in Soviet Ukraine , so how is that impossible? it already happened brother.
From a technical view, being formerly a part of the USSR doesn’t matter. This was discussed with mods on the old forum based on current implementation guidelines. Adding sub-tree’s like those are just used to fill gaps within those nations you had stated. The USSR tree has 5 full lines with a pretty good BR spread. Could it happen, sure, there’s always a chance it could be placed as a sub-tree. A lot of people use the PRC/Taiwan tree as an example, but again, it was done to create multiple lines since the early part of the Chinese tree was lacking a lot of capacity.
Ukraine in some shape is guaranteed to come to the game at some point as its a very in-demand nation. It’s just a matter of how. It could be a sub-tree of the USSR or something, or as it’s own nation as a Israeli-style tree. Ukraine having a combination of East and West tech similarly to the West/East German Research Tree would make it unique, sought after tree that caps off with two (technically 3 with the most recent developments of the T-64) very popular tanks families, the T-84 and Leopard 2. Not to mention in a sale point, it’s popularity would be very profitable for Gaijin.
I’m currently working on a revamp of the tree to draw out more of Ukraine’s developments to make it more unique,
The Barrier-S, new and officially entering UAF service.
The Barrier-S.
On another side of things, the Barrier-S or also known as the Shturm-SM, is an anti-tank system that passed state trials and will be deployed (around 15 in total) in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The vehicle utilizes the OPSN-I optical sight system that is fully stabilized as well as features thermal imaging, a 20x zooming capability, and laser rangefinder. The sight is capable of locking onto targets up to 11km away with the laser rangefinder having a max range of 7km. The vehicle also features 8x 81mm smoke grenade launchers and a laser warning receiving to warn of incoming laser-guided munitions. The vehicle fires the RK-2P and RK-2POF missiles, one being a tandem-HEAT warhead capable of penetrating 800mm behind ERA and the other featuring a high explosive warhead. The missiles have a max range of 6-7km. I will update the vehicle suggestion soon.
Summary/Expected Gameplay Values:
Thermals and 20x zoom capability, believed to be of 3rd generation with locking capability.
Two missiles, one Tandem HEAT with around 800mm+ of penetration behind ERA and the other a high explosive warhead w/ a range of out to 7km.
8x 81mm Smoke Grenade Launchers
Laser Warning System
Similar gameplay to the in-game Sturm-S/SM with the exception of increased zooming/locking capability, as well as key countermeasures such as smokes and a much needed laser warning receiver. The vehicle still has the primary weakness like other MT-LB variants in having thin armor.
The OPSN-I Optical Sight system made by Luchs.
The Launcher that utilizes the RK-2P anti-tank guided missile, part of the Barrier missile family.
This brochure from Luch actually has some fun developments that could further be added like:
Strila-10 Luch, a uniquely modified Strela-10 with new missiles and optical tracking system. It uses the RK-10 missile with a range out to 10km and altitude of 3.5km. Thermal imager included.
Alta ATGM system, tandem warhead with 1,200mm of penetration for helicopters.
A Ukrainian ATGM for the BMP-3, a tandem warhead with 550mm of penetration.
The Barrier-S as seen above.
The BRDM-2 Amulet, an ATGM platform with a dual launcher for RK-2S missiles, a tandem-HEAT warhead with 800-900mm of penetration.
The Barrier-V anti-tank system, the air-launched version of the Barrier-S for helicopters.
Haven’t found this in this thread (maybe my search skills failed me), but noticed new Militarniy article, which quoted British MoD press release about high effectiveness of surface launched ASRAAM system:
In summer 2022, a joint MoD-MBDA team developed air defence systems to fire ASRAAM from the ground for the first time. Within four months of initiating the surface launched ASRAAM project, these air defence systems were developed, manufactured, trialled and Ukrainian crews trained on their usage, on UK soil, before being transferred into Ukrainian hands.
The surface launched ASRAAM project has demonstrated the best of British engineering ingenuity and the agility of MOD and British industry to rapidly deliver very effective yet low-cost solutions to the frontline to meet urgent requirements. The systems have proven highly effective – with a successful hit rate reported as high as 90% against some air targets. Ukrainian operators have become adapt at their usage and have asked for more missiles to protect their country.
Since it was created specifically for Ukraine, and actively used here, it fully deserves to be in the Ukrainian tech tree.
Quick search on Ru forum didn’t show any results. There were few mentions of this system on this forum, but in context of adding it to the British ground forces, which is kind of ridiculous, since it’s a quick and budget ersatz system, made specifically for Ukrainian AA needs and UK will never need it or use it domestically.
It was a suggestion to uk due to not having a good spaa but it would be better in Ukrainian tree if that comes but the post was under the assumption that it would go to UK as it the most fitting tree that is in the game right now
It is difficult to find information about Nizh or Duplet ERA, especially tests and reliable performance measurements.
Do you have a timeline of tests for the ERAs?
I know there was a test in 2008 for Duplet…
One in 2003 for Nizh then….
I have searched further but maybe this link is the best I could get, although I am sure you are aware!
The Barrier-S.
The OPSN-I Optical Sight system made by Luchs.
The Launcher that utilizes the RK-2P anti-tank guided missile, part of the Barrier missile family.
