Of the UK’s AA guns at 8.3 it seems to be the Falcon AA really doesn’t belong there.
No radar or targeting assistance and limited ammo capacity leaves it far inferior as an AA to every other comparable AA at its battle rating.
The only reason it seems to have such a battle rating is because one of its belts gets a APDS shot with relatively high penetration which can engage tanks.
The best solution to this seems to be to remove its 1 APDS shot from it and reduce its battle rating down to ~7.0 where its AA performance actually belongs and where the UK really needs a competent AA gun.
His proposal though is to remove the shell that makes it so effective in an anti-tank role. At which point, it would be able to drop down in BR quite happily.
The fact we have 2x 5.3s and 3x 8.3s and absolutely nothing in between, has been deeply frustrating ever since they added both the Skink and the Bosvark in practically the same update. A “Falcon (early)” I suppose is one option, another i’ve had is a Rover with blowpipe launcher, but there are many other options and suggestions out there I think.
Just need Gaijin to add one, but looks like they are fixing the US tree first and we’ll have to wait another year or 2
Suggestion was to remove its APDS shot so it wouldnt be a tank destroyer anymore.
By all means if you want the Falcon as a tank destroyer change its designation from AA to Light Tank and give a full belt of APDS so it can play like a Bradley or BMP2
The AP, while not having 100+ mm of pen, would still be an effective AT, I can readily and easily use the Leo-2 Marksman, at 8.7, and get 3 kills in a Hail Mary rush.
@Ace_Lonewolf I understand the frustration, but I genuine do not think it would be beneficial, but a realistic drop would be more so to 7.7, where it can not, repeat, can, NOT, perform the AT role because of Soviet and other heavies
@jaded_sakura77 and every other YouTuber’s isn’t, other than a few I can think off the top of my head, like Sylph, Hunter, Mochi, and a few others. Just because he jump cuts doesn’t make it “not resemble normal gameplay” he’s just cutting out the boring part, AKA setting an ambush or camping.
But I doubt it would be 8.3 worthy, 7.7 at most. If that.
And just because players have poor situational awarness and allow a SPAA to flank them, shouldnt be reason to massively over BR a SPAA, which is fairly poor SPAA given the current BR
Are you implying that getting nukes every game and having actual bottom 10% of players in your matchup is normal gameplay? If you actually watched his videos there are actual retards who drive past him exposing their side armour, looking straight at him and moving on, shooting his angled toughest part of the armour, etc etc. and I can’t stand his clickbait ass titles either
Either you haven’t played war thunder at that range often enough, or those people are on your team. (Like when I casually got 11 kills helping my team mates at 8.7 in the Strv 103 C because people are, let’s say “not very smart”)
Yep, I had a match where I was just defending my “smart” team mates (America ofc) had 7 kills 1 death in the 103 C, team still found a way to throw the match, and the enemy had to attack me from 3 angles, with 3 tanks to kill me, although I made the poor decision to push to a new position without anyone covering me.
This would be a 8.3/7 at lowest, the reason for blowpipe sucking IRL is compounded issues that made all MCLOS have issues but to a more extreme under british cost cutting/penny pinching. Blowpipe IRL had issues of firstly, not working, secondly, not fired enough to find out it didnt work well, and thirdly and most importantly, having an average career soldier whos singly and only job was to use that weapon firing on average something like 0.5 missiles in their career, yes, there are soldiers whos job was anti aircraft with it that never fired the system outside of a training system which didnt actually fire a missile.
What do WT fanatic players have? Time, and a training room with free ammo. Players in WT are massively more successful using MCLOS systems then the real life versions ever were.
Removing the APDS from it would likely fix its issues tbh. Its not like we dont have other options which can defend themselves now too.
Marksman has like 15mm more pen on the APHE round, which is actually really, really helpful IIRC? APHE on the RARDEN/30mm hispano is at that critical point of not being able to side/rear pen a lot of medium armour unless literally point blank with a flat side on shot.
Why do peeps think the blowpipe didnt have a proxy fuse? It had a selector for having the fuse on or off pending what you want as the user (iirc it also had the ability to turn its SACLOS launch on and off too, if not known it would fire under SACLOS and transition to MCLOS during flight).
But yeah, it would be hard to use even if it 100% worked fine, IRL lack of actually firing them to train also didnt help guys firing them live under combat conditions.
I just recently researched most of the UK’s 8.3 lineup and the Falcon BR made me scratch my head. It’s not as good as the Soviet ZSU-23 at the same BR, or even the nerfed VEAK at 7.7, so I honestly think the Falcon could easily sit at 7.7, or perhaps even lower than this.
Edit: I haven’t actually researched it fully yet, and I realise that with the high pen round it will become quite a lot more powerful. So I support OPs suggestion of removing this round, because UK 8.3 is already cramped and we desperately need a decent AA after the Bosvark.
