Thats true, I also understood you weren’t claiming the JM33 was good against 12.o sorry if i didnt phrase properly or restructure. The tank is definitely good, and can be good even only in a decent players hand (myself be like). But same goes for quite a few tanks, for instance the Tiger 2 is still probably consistently one of the best 6.7 tanks and can steamroll in down tiers
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Yeah we basically have one solution and its decompression.
Dont worry there are american mains on the chat about the sub tree for thailand saying the M1A2 is over BRd at 11.7 …
Thats the problem with tbis game the vast majority do not care about balance they just want their stuff to he untouchable.
Definitely need GRB max BR to go up to about 13.0 yeah 100+% agree
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Would certainly help the game imo
I don’t want the Type 90 to be untouchable or the challengers to have god armour. i want balance just as much as the next guy, but currently moving the type 90 would literally make the tank almost irrelevant. I feel like the TKS (P) could actually be fine at 11.7 simply due to the mobility difference between the two so long as it got a better round
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decompressing can at this state of the game not hurt it, there is such a thing as moderation ofc, its not like we should move max br to 20.0 because that would make the ranks veeery thinned out. at one point i wondered if they shouldve decreased max br to like 11.0 but make more split brs, for instance (10.0 - 10.2 - 10.4 - 10.6 - 10.8 - 11.0) where a 10.4 tank cant face a anything more than a 10.8 thank
Probably wont work tho, and decompression of the model already used would probably work better and easier to implement too
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Eh the challanger 2s are genuinely the worst top tiers right now due to the massive breach opening on tbe turret ring.
However as well the type 90s as you say would suffer a bit more at 11.7 (same br as the m1a2) realistically they are cauaing issues but the only solution is decompression.
Would actually solve a lot og issues
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I like to think that they’re the worst, but its also not completely true, Leclercs and Ariete doesnt get much benefit of the doubt either, but gaijin ignoring all the bug reports on the challenger is kinda annoying, because currently it is one of at least the worst 3 top tier mbts
Edit: and the speed make me want to commit heinous crimes
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To implement that would need a full.overhaul of every br and tank etc.
Just decompression would work fine just not adding it too high as you say
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The cr2 has worse ammo. Now worse reload due to ready rack being 4 rounds, after the buffed the ariete and merkava reloads the challanger 2 falls short unfortunately 😕
True, L27A1 is kinda pain sometimes, lets hope it CR2 gets a buff soon
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yeah the fact it goes to over 7 seconds without an aced crew, and max 6.5 with aced crew once you are past the ready rack is nuts.
But yeah ive took this a bit off topic ! my bad!
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NP, it can be somewhat relevant
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NGL the type 90 really has to move up to 11.7 now adays.
It’s become absolutely insanely oppressive
moving Type 90 to 11.7 will only help the USSR 10.3 line-up.
most other nations have no 10.3, but a 10.7 so no help there.
Type 90 is basically a light tank, and i play it as such. due to it’s mobility it can reach points fast and sometimes hold them.
this MBT can’t brawl, you’re armour will not save you period. If the turret bustle gets taken out it will take forever to reload. Since by Gaijins infinite wisdom, you have to first reload the bustle (1st stage ammo rack) before the round is loaded into the breach. only viable option then is a cap point.
Type 90 has terrible optics, TKX(p) are way better. from the trifecta of MBT’s it only has mobility and the RoF part of the firepower 481 point blank is nothing to write home about at 11.7, most MBT at that BR have 530mm and up in penetration values.
as said before in this thread it’s very easy to be taken out even by Auto Canon from the front.
And even if they up-tier it, they should also look very closely at the USSR / CHN tech trees around the 10.3 BR.
vehicles like the 2S25(M) which are comparable to other light tanks but insanely better firepower in both APFDSD and ATGM(Tandem).
10.3 vehicles or even lower armed with 3BM42 which out performs DM23(120) by 40 mm, while having firepower and armour comparable to Leo2 and M1. same goes for Chinese MBT at 10.3.
And don’t gimme that gun depression crap, during the latest NERF, all Leo2’s can’t aim down over 150 degrees over the back half of the vehicle.
and the reverse gear, China figured it out, after 11.0 all tanks have an actual 30+ reverse speed.
So USSR not having it on even recent mods of their MBT’s, shows it not a priority for them, while being technically possible.
You also have a 4 second reload and suspension that can adjust for even more depression, you do realize that there are light tanks at 11.7 right? And they have much worse than 4 second reload. 490mm pen isn’t the best but it’s enough to deal with any threat you’ll face. This tank is hands down the best 11.3 in game and will already face 12.0 tanks.
There is absolutely no reason it should be dunking on 10.3 tanks
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Type 90 is most definitely an amazing tank, but it seriously lacks armour, relies on a pure autoloader, poor thermals + optics + gun handling, middling depression (w/o suspension, w/ suspension it is abt normal). The tradeoff is a decent round + 4s reload, great mobility, LWS.
Whether it should go up to 11.7 is what has me stuck. At 11.3, it is amazing due to 10.3 down tiers (though in my many matches, not common but not rare) however at 11.7 it’d basically be forced to face 11.7/12.0 every match, which would be difficult. I’m completely down for decompression to allow the top BRs to breathe, but not let the Type 90 succumb to constant 12.0 matches.
Having the TKX (P) at 11.7 has helped me understand this a bit more, as it has the same round but way better zoom + thermals, reverse gearbox, while sacrificing a little of the ready-rack and total ammunition. I will say that it is way easier to play than the Type 90 in my 11.7 matches.
Decompression. Increase GRB to 13.0 (maybe 14.0) as it’d help a lot of BRs.
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The M1A1 gives the Type 90 a serious run for it’s money. Most players just don’t get the most out of it.
It’s criminal that there are constant cries for the Type 90s to move up, but the M1A1 is similarly dominant and keeps escaping critism.
Brah… light tank got drone and scout that can reduce air spawn point, if you saying you want giving type 90 drone and scout capability and raising it to 11.7 then I won’t have any problems with that.
What I could say is Karma is a Bitxh. Just like they can dunking on 9.3 (which is more often to happened), then they should also get crushed by the 11.3 like a soda can
Yeah the M1A1 is a great tank also, It would be fine at 11.7 and no reason it should face 10.3 either, I would leave the IPM1 at 11.3 though.
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