so maybe putting the leopard 2a7v, the strv 122 b+ and the t-90m in 12.3 would be a better option?
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I don’t think the T-90M deserves to go up, Maybe 13.7 for CAS, 12.7 for Leos, 12.3 for Abrams, T-90M, T-80BVM, and 12.0 for the Merkava, Leclerc, Type 10, Challys, and 2A5-PSO maybe? Sloppy list but you get my idea.
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Yes, that’s what I’m saying, the breech isn’t armored, but in any case, when a T-80BVM is moving, it’s almost impossible to shoot in the turret without hitting the relikt.
yeah I see what you are trying to say , my point is just that the 2a5 and the 2a7v should not be in the same br
Sure, I agree.
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Visual inspection: 122, 2A7V, and 2A5/6
Ammo:
Turret armor is identical on all of them.
And all of them are weak in CQC due to idler wheel weakspot universal on all tanks.
The space between the ERA and hull roof is as physically wide as the Abrams ring at the widest part.
Also the T-90M and Strv 122 have worse ammo than other 12.0s, they’re fine at 12.0. [Most of the Challengers 2s [3TD as well] are already 11.7.]
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Yeah its definitely more difficult but not impossible. BVM heavily relies on you not stopping and moving around. Also, if you do hit a Relikt plate and get the chance to shoot again (say he’s breached), you will completely lolpen the turret once that Relikt is shot off.
the space between the Abrams turret and its chassis is worse than the t-80bmv turret because the t-80 is clearly smaller, I finished the 3 nations (Germany, America, Russia) and clearly the Abrams armor was clearly the worst besides the apfsds shells often tend to bounce off the plate inclined at 82° to pierce the underside of the Abrams turret.
now concerning the t-80bvm and strv 122 shells they do not need to pierce more because the majority of tanks have an over-armored turret even for the best shells and a chassis with less than 550mm except for the tanks that I had mentioned having good armor
Gramih, I’ve studied the T-series and accounted for turret size.
I get your concerns though.
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A better map of the Abrams (made like 4-5 months ago):
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By talking about the Abrams you mean the SEPV1,V2 which they’re absolutely inferior to the BVM,T90M in armor category (SEPV2 is more fat thanks to the unremovable TUSK which makes it lack in mobility) so Top Tier Abrams going to be much better next to the Merks,Leclerc…etc
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They’re better. Skill issue.
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How are they better? What matters in Top Tier is armor and they’re definitely better in that category.
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Better depression, mobility, round, turret armor (vs BVM), reload, etc.
Russian tanks only have armor.
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Bait used to be believable.
Abrams armour is not bad. american players sucked ass for so long that everyone learned how to kill them on autopilot, no different to the tiger 2 at 6.7
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Which is the one that matters the most in Top Tier???
Abrams starting from the M1A2 suck and garbage.
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Remove DM53 and Leo2A5 will make itself back to t90a’s 11.0 for inability to stay better than a Fuji xDDD
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Only necessary on maps with relevant amounts of hills or depressions. Definitely could be worked around.
Only decent weakness out of any you mentioned, though it gets traded by noticeably better armor than the average MBT in the game.
Even if there was some new and convenient prototype Russian round, why would the soviets need a better round than (EVEN) 3BM46 when most of NATO hulls can’t even withstand more than 450mm KE darts to do significant damage or just 1shot Challys, Merkavas, Arietes, and Abrams (or disabling them which is practically the same)?
Soviets doesn’t need a better reload when their darts —even if they’re subpar— can pen as butter to most of MBTs?
Armor on a CQB-reliant map rotation is basically a push-to-win button.
Lots of convenient rationalizations, not even a single honest on its proper context.
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A combination of speed and armor with good gun depression. Hence why the Strvs and Leos stomped. Just armor does not make a tank strong, its why the T-90M is stinker. BVM is still a good tank, however Abrams is better.
Thats a you problem.
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Which the SEPV2 lacks thanks to the unremovable TUSK.
Not anymore after the basket nerf.
A good combination between Armor and a superior lineup that Russia gets, Pantsir,SU30SM,SU34…etc which most nations lack.
Abrams is definitely not better than the BVM,T90M, in Top Tier the only thing that matter is who shot first, a single shot from any tank would kill or disable an Abrams (i’ve tried that myself when i started grinding in GRB with the SU39)
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