Turret baskets for everyone or no one

““First to the point of why we’re introducing the baskets to the horizontal aiming drives. From a gameplay and design standpoint, the current damage model (without the basket, with more empty space under the turret) penalizes players who hit the center of mass area where there is nothing to damage, even though they did everything right and landed a shot in this area.””

%I shot dead center of a t series tanks and because he had his turret at me i only got one crew , why should i be penalised when i hit the center of mass area where there is nothing to damage, even though i did everything right and landed a shot in that area.Why wouldn’t more modules come for all tanks? Are western systems superior and need a nerf for it? %

From our perspective, we want to avoid penalizing the player who managed to land a shot on the enemy first, reducing those frustrating moments of penetrating a vehicle without doing any meaningful damage — even though the round passed through a significant amount of the interior.

%i shot a russian t series on the autoloader but he didn’t have any ammo there, why should i be penalised with dying when i placed my shot in a way that passed throughout the interior?

What turret baskets contain
We want to note that important elements such as electrics and hydraulics are all located in and around the basket area and all provide some power to the drives and turret in different ways. These and other elements fill almost the entirety of a tank’s interior outside of the crew operating areas. The floor of the turret basket is not just a metal sheet to walk on, but instead houses all kinds of electrics and hydraulics with means to connect them to the hull.

%So do t series tanks and other western equipment, fcs is also disabled on red mbts %

In addition to the point above about why baskets affect turret rotation, damage to the basket can physically deform its elements and prevent normal functioning of the turret drives or damage everything around them if the turret was rotated.

%Wouldn’t a t series autoloader deform too? Is it made from stalinium? I don’t think russian mbts are cranked by hand but how they do now their feature mbs might do%

Why they can’t all come at once

[As mentioned quite a while ago, implementing new modules takes a lot of time. Whenever there is a change to a vehicle, modules like this are also affected in some way and need to be updated. The issue we’d face here if we modelled them and then left them aside while working on other baskets, is that when the time would come to add everything there would likely be significant changes to the vehicles. This would require additional time to make the modules work again, as they’d be months out of date (this is also why regularly a vehicle will receive several changes in one go). As vehicles are updated frequently it is not feasible to ‘park’ features like this for very long. ]*

%Haven’t seen any significant differences in mbts 10 months later , and the russian mbts just got a little bulkier autoloader, nothing else%

Rounding off

These reworks are not exclusive to the Abrams and Leopard and are just the first tanks we’re working on, and over the year we’ll be adding more. We’ll still be implementing baskets for the Abrams and Leopard in the Hornet’s Sting major update, with the damage model and x-ray discussed above. And as mentioned, more will come over time.

%A big nothing came last year . Either make a public statement stating that western systems are superior in any feasible way that leads to t series tanks needing buffs to even be able to be comparable to western equipment or revert the changes . %

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Interestingly enough, autoloader preventing horizontal traverse on T-XX is more unrealistic than basket.

In my opinion, just remove turret basket and all this stupid extra module stuff. This is not a sim.

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T series tanks dont have “baskets” like the leo 2 and abrams.

they do have their autoloader carousel modelled, they are on equal grounds in this sense.

Im fine with the turret basket mechanic. its just a matter of adding them to ariete now

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But why should i be penalised for a perfectly dead center shot?, yes they should be removed

Aim for crew then.

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So why don’t you say that to the people that lead to the turret basket? Shouldn’t i be compensated with the addition of all turret baskets for all vehicles for my bad shots like they did ?

You know that many western tanks also lack a turret basket ?

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Yes and they should get it too , or removed from all

Turret baskets for everyone, but either the turret basket is a different module that doesn’t prevent rotation only reduces it or it’s repair time is dropped significantly

They added turret basket because they knew russian MBTs wouldn’t have any, and thus have even more bias.

Clever.

lol u should get a title ingame for saying the phrase “Russian bias” 100 times on the forum.

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Autoloader that protects from ammo racks, and can still rotate and shoot if a shell its already loaded?

yes. Theres no issuse there, the T64 lineage doesnt use turret baskets holding fire control equipment like on the leo or abrams. They also can’t reload until they repair.

dont hit a part of the traverse system? dont get to disable it.

Genuinely wish this was true so I’d be immortal in the ZTZ-99A, alas, the autoloader really likes exploding

Why the Ariete? It’s crap.

Type 90s need them added pretty badly.

Same for the auto loaders then.

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Where your ass at when they added the autoloader module? During that time all NATO vehicles doesn’t have a basket yet lol

dont know enough about the 90 to say if it has one or not.

I have also hammered them frontally with a scimitar a few times so its not a “we need to balance them with another component to break” situation but an accurate modelling addition.

Gaijin should have added them to both by now. but at the same time its not super deep considering they are lolpenned by everyone through thr turret cheeks even with most stock shells for the BR

They preform better than other mbts. And the fox can kill a lot of things frontally or sideways.

Im using the ztz96 and the autoloader sure protects the ammo, sometimes even the crew.