the issue is 8.7 uptiers to 9.7 where you stand no chance
oh wow just like the 5 other medium mbts the soviets have…
What at 9.7 can you not pen?
t-72s
poor type87 rcv without stab(has 90mm pen tho) and probably a worse mobility…
So there’s a single tank type that you can’t pen? Doesn’t sound like a real issue, especially when you can still easily disable them for teammates.
the type 87 has a 25mm with apfsds
you´ll get probably a fster ammorack with the xm800t getting it done with the type87rcv(t72)
stab does matter alot
the xm800 doesnt spall very much and you basically cant pen the t-72 from any angle even the sides it still struggles
still you´ll face the tanks nontheless and you also have a high chance of encountering light tanks like the tam, bmp2/3 or 2s25… there are so many light tanks
9.0-9.3-9?7 are full of light vehicles. XM800T is fine there. And while it can’t pen something like the 279, you can track and disable guns, which often is a death warrant for tanks on the receiving end. To keep this on topic, the XM800T can nuke the Turm III’s turret from across the map.
Turms III has worse mobility than Leo 1, AMX30s are sort of overteired, crappy thermals and LRF are ok but nothing compared to the powerspike that is stabilizers (and to make matters worse the AMX30s have pretty much the worst gun handling in the entire game for some reason). B2 could definitely go to 8.3 or even 8.0, 1972 is ok at 8.0 but I wouldn’t care if it went to 7.7. B2 has less HP than Brenus and 1972 for some reason. The dart is bizarre and unreliable where it seems to do no damage up close but nukes things far away.
Turm III is basically played like a light tank/flanker, but at 8.7 LV/flankers are way faster than it.
It’s just a weird vehicle in a weird spot. People vastly overstate the usefulness of the 30mm, it doesn’t get sabot so most of the shells shatter and is only good against things with genuinely no armor, it will often not kill a Fox frontally.
If it got a dart and went to 8.7 it would be more potent than it is without one at 8.3.
the turm 3 has better mobility than leo1 ? what are u on about.
Amx 30B2 and brenus are not over BR’d or under BR’d they are fine at 8.7 , good mix and only one draw back which is the lack of stabilisation.
Are they difficult to use? fking right they are.
8.3 at a push, but 8.0 ? fk no mate thats just stupid to even say that.
really? its the same dart I was using on the amx30 Super and doing well at 12.0 with it so yeah. its a good dart.
Its killed me through the front of the turret of the STB2 and Type 74’s at 8.3 which are some of the sturdiest turrets there.
yet it’ll shred most MBTs of its Br and above frontally.
That can also be said when I used the badger the turm 3 soaked about 12 rounds (darts) from it into the turret / ammo rack and did fk all.
it doesn’t need a dart to move to 8.7, if it gets a dart like DM23 it would likely end up 9.0 or 9.3 which it really should be with a dart.
And every single one of them remains negative, this is only achievable if you are one one-dimensional player who hodl w relying on his luck every match bro
Unfortunately… I am the tatical position dude. Snipe them reposition and redoing this the entire match granted me lot of kills. however Gaijin is making the map worse and worse.
They are actually more useless when you do cqc, enemy get to do anything with your weakspots which renders them useless
Imagine you are 10.3 and everybody and their mothers say you have armor, then you get instantly disabled by 35mm autocannons on first hit. Sometimes these things are just utterly trash
Leo has 21 hp/ton, Turms has 20 hp/ton. People are really overestimating how mobile the Turms is, it’s really good, but it’s not like, Rooikat, Fox levels and you sort of play it like that.
Turms shredding MBTs frontally? Do you have the Turms? Its 30mm is nothing like the one on something like the Fox which can one tap frontally MBTs even though it’s pretty much the exact same cannon…it’s the ammo that makes the difference and the completely bugged spall awarded to the sabot for autocannons at the moment.
AMX30s have less mobility than either…the 1st gen thermals are pretty useless imo. LRF is nice but not a mega advantage since the gun handling is so atrocious in these tanks, you can’t LRF, pop up take a shot then go back, you have to ease into the pop up or else the gun bounces all over the place and takes 15 min to settle which pretty much entirely negates the advantage of a LRF and makes manual ranging just as good.
T-55A has a good dart, good armor, good mobility and is stabilized and sits at 8.3…
its not really about the mobility it looks ok, its more about the armament
never rely on armor.